Kickin' & Streamin' Podcast

A Binge-watcher's guide to Streaming Movies, TV Series, & Stuff

Last Friday, The Boys, one of my favorite shows by Amazon Prime Video premiered its second season, and much to my dismay, I learned the show’s producer decided to release only the first 3 episodes of the season with plans to release the remaining 5 episodes on Fridays of every week. Needless to say I was disappointed to learn this because The Boys is one of the few series I’d been waiting on for a whole year. Typically, I don’t anxiously wait for a show I like to come back. My attitude is always to move on to the next best thing and get back to the last series I watch whenever it comes back. In fact, most of the time I’m no longer interested or psyched about the return of a series, so I get to it when I get to it. Except, that wasn’t the case for me and The Boys. I was excited to have The Boys back, and furthermore, I couldn’t wait to binge-watch the bloody hell out of it; only to learn that some “producer” Erik Kripke had decided that it was best for me to get a “healthy dose” of my favorite show on a week by week basis, as opposed to binge watching it however I bloody well please. Thanks, Erik but you’re not my dad!

Let’s start by clarifying this myth, binge-watching is not a new thing, nor is it a byproduct of the digitally streamable content era. Binge-watching has been around since the Pope was an altar boy. If you’re old enough, you’ll remember taking a Friday evening trip to the video rental store in the 80s and 90s to rent a bunch of movies in VHS or DVD. You’ll also remember trying to watch all of your rented movies over one weekend in order to meet a return-by deadline and avoid being penalized for missing said deadline. So, there may not have been a name for it at the time but that, my friend, was binge-watching.

When I read about why Mr. Kripke made the decision not to release all 8 episodes of The Boys season 2 at once, it sounded weirdly comical to me, but annoyingly condescending at the same time. The idea that this weekly episode method is supposed to help keep the show in the public’s conscience for a longer period of time is absurd. It’s been a year since I came across Season 1 of ‘The Boys’ and I’ve spoken about it pretty much every day. ‘The Boys’ comes up every time someone asks me “Hey Graham, what’s a good show to watch on Prime?” My point is, I find it hard to believe that a producer wouldn’t know by now that what keeps people talking about a show is the quality of its content, and not whether or not the consumer gets to binge-watch it or not. Furthermore, this is a classic case of “having your cake and eat it too,” because if Mr. Kripke wanted to have a weekly episode show, he could’ve taken his show to a regular TV network from to begin with. So why go with Prime Video and perform such an unpleasant switcheroo on the audience with season 2 of the same show Mr. Kripke had no problem releasing in full a year ago? In fact, no one would be complaining about the decision to switch ‘The Boys’ to a weekly format if the series was released by a network TV or Hulu, why? Because we all know what to expect from network TV and Hulu; which is the main reason many of us don’t watch them.

I’ve watched the 3 episodes released last weekend and I can tell Season 2 is equally as fantastic as the first season. As for the remaining 5 episodes, I’ll get to them when I get to them, and hopefully, something else worth watching hasn’t grabbed my attention because the choice to binge watch a series or not should ultimately be mine, and no one else’s.  

It’s almost unimaginable to find someone in the US without an Amazon Prime account nowadays. A Prime account is what guarantees you a seat at the table of online shopping and one-day delivery to which the mega online store Amazon has gotten all of accustomed.  So the question is why aren’t more people streaming Prime Video original series? This is a question which always comes up between myself and Jocelyn whenever we discuss a movie or original TV series by Amazon Prime Video in our podcast Kickin’ & Streamin’.

We have already established that Prime Video seem to produce movies and series with higher quality and substantively better than its counterpart Netflix. In fact, my co-host Jocelyn jokes that she sometimes thinks of Netflix as the Oprah Winfrey Show episode where Oprah gave a car to each one of her audience member by shouting “You get a car, you get a car… everybody gets a car!” Jocelyn, imagines Netflix executives shouting at anyone who pitches the most minimally produced contents to their portfolio is rewarded with a “You get a Netflix show, you get a Netflix show…everybody gets a Netflix show!” In other words, while there’s always something new to watch on Netflix, you watch at your own peril because you never know how far into watching a new series you’ll realize you’ve wasted an obscene amount of your time. That’s not normally the case with Prime Video.

During this week’s episode, I had the pleasure to have this Prime Video vs Netflix conversation with fellow podcaster and TV binge-watch enthusiast Dr. Tracy Timberlake. Dr. Timberlake had kindly agreed to co-host the podcast with me while Jocelyn to some much deserved time off. It was refreshing to get someone else’s perspective on this issue. Here’s a video of this conversation.

Courtesy: Amazon Prime Video

 

 

 

With Special Guest Jorge de Moya

Graham

We're gonna talk all about it because, you know, I, uh I was weird. I actually watched it because you you you mentioned you wanted to talk about it, right? Uh, yeah. And Jocelyn. I mean, I never even mentioned that movie, too, because it was like, another  Netflix movie. You know, it was one of those Friday nights that I'm like. Okay, So since George wants to talk about this movie, let me let me look at it, You know? I mean, cause I didn't know what to expect, but I wasn't expecting much, but it differently went a little beyond what I was expecting. And I was really like her. Look at this. And of course, the puppy is barking. So you guys will excuse me for a moment held. I know where it is.  

Jocelyn

Diva puppies

Graham

Diva  puppies.  On that note, then let's begin.  

Intro

This is kickin' and streamin' podcast, a binge watcher's guide to streaming movies. TV series on stuff. Here are your hosts, Graham and Jocelyn.  

Graham

Hello, everyone. And welcome to another episode of kicking and streaming. My name is Graham in today in the Fantastic Company via Skype of my co-Host the Great Jo Jo and returning for a second round is Mr Couch. Dad. Podcast. Jorge De Moya. Hello there.

Jorge de Moya

How low, everybody? Hey, Jo Jo. Hey, guys. How are you doing?  

Jocelyn

We managed to not scare you off last time,

Jorge de Moya

are you kidding? I only took my anxiety meds earlier. The u CBD gummies that my wife has lying around

Graham

that is not so bad. Next time we definitely have to be in the same studio show. At least we share, so I'm glad to hear that. Everybody's okay, George. I believe that on in your state the stay at home orders have been lifted. Ain't it?

Jorge de Moya

Oh, well, yes. In the state of Florida, the stay at home orders have been lifted. But that does not mean that the state of Miami

Graham

it's a state of its own is

Jorge de Moya

Yes, Miami still has a little bit of the stay at home order. They they still have reopened much in Miami because people are from Miami and they continue to go out and they continue to go on their boats. And as soon as they open, reopen some of the marinas. There were, like, five boats on fire, a walker 300 boat trailers in line to get in the only allowed, like, 100 K five oclock in the morning. So, you know, we we don't understand  

Graham

hashtag Florida

Jorge de Moya

you can thank you could you could hashtag only in Dade. Because that's what we call it.  

Graham

Oh hashtag Only in  Dade,  That's better.

Jorge de Moya

Yeah. Good old Dade County. You don't think I mean you go to @onlyindade on Instagram. You're welcome!

Graham

Alright. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna follow it. Kiki,

Jorge de Moya

please do tell you it is the funniest thing you'll ever see. Oh, my way. We

Jorge de Moya

could all use a laugh, so exactly

Graham

Yeah, that is definitely a good thing to have a laugh. And so yeah, today we are talking about extraction. A very I want to call it a very sensational little movie on Netflix Came out on April the 24th starring Chris Hemsworth. I have always had a hard time saying this dude's last name him. Swear if

Jocelyn

I keep thinking they should be an l in it. I try always definite... like I'm turning him into Mayonnaise or something

Jorge de Moya

Are you sure ,Jojo  That's not because the l is like you trying to say that I love you. It is the only way I could ever get my wife to sit down and watch this movie. You know who's in it, honey? Thor,  Thor's in it. Yeah, I watch.

Jocelyn

Oh, that's pretty good. I have to say I'm a little bit of a fan of the Hemsworth brothers, so Yeah. Yeah. I don't know many people that aren't honestly, so

Jorge de Moya

I will be honest. I'm a big fan of Hemsworth  too

Jocelyn

e. I was gonna say I kind of feel like that. There's there's a kind of, ah, man's man and also the woman's woman woman's man type factor going on there. So yes, somebody that you kinda feel like, no matter what, you could probably sit down and have a beer with and a laugh.  

Jorge de Moya

Right. Well, I mean, I joke with, uh, with my wife all the time. Good. You know, 10 years married three kids, you know, she goes, would you kick him out of your house? I go. Absolutely not. Gotta be honest. Uh, not even, like, you know, just No, I would not kick him out.

Jocelyn

Yeah, he just seems like a good guy.

Graham

Alright, Helmsworth, I'm back  

Jorge de Moya

We're back. Okay.  

Jocelyn

And we're back.

Graham

Damn, man is amazing. Yeah, Yeah, 19 year old that doesn't understand that he needs to give the bloody dog with him so that it doesn't bark. So I had to deal with the puppy and a 19 year old. But I think we're contained now. Uh, yet, Jorge, you know, the whole fun dad thing is, you know, wait till yours hit the teens, man is gonna... yeah, it stops being funny. He

Jorge de Moya

believe me when I tell you this My six year old, I feel like she's already 15 or 16. She comes up to me and goes, Dad, can you record a Tik Tok ***? What woman would do What now? Yeah. Record a tik tok? Uh, no. Five minutes later, there I am recording a tick tock.

Graham

Oh, so you do it?

Jorge de Moya

 Of course I do it because you know it's the girl. I'm a big old softy.  I'm the daddy.

Graham

not a monster, Right? Monster. Alright, so um let me ask you this, but to just start before we get into everything else.  What did you all think of this movie? Let's start, Jojo, what did you think of it?

Jocelyn

I thoroughly enjoyed it. I am enjoying this sort of pendulum swing which George was mentioning earlier. It's a swing towards instead of a whole lot of flashy effects with the guns, sort of the John Wick style of just going in and blowing everybody's head off essentially, um, so I kind of enjoyed that because it's kind of like at some point in some of the older action movies, you're like, Oh, come on, Would you just shoot on? Nowadays it's It's more along the lines of Yeah, let's let's do that. Let's get that job done That needs to be done So it's extremely violent. ITT's very graphic. It's very bloody, but I enjoyed the story behind it. I found the action scenes very good, very realistic and gritty. And, uh, it was just a I hate to say, fun movie when so many people died. But it was a fun movie.

Graham

Now, come on. It was fun.

Jocelyn

Trying to be a little sensitive

Graham

in Jorge, Of course. I'm assuming I know you liked it cause you you actually wanted to talk about it. So tell me all about

Jorge de Moya

Well, it really starts off with that. This was one of those movies. I was on my cue for the Couch Does podcast And on my cue to do a review on and after watching it, I wanted to do more than just a review on it. And I was like, You know what? I need to call. I need to call Joe, Joe and Graham. I need to get you know, them talking about this this movie, too, because it has so many cool action sequences. And it has a lot of film jargon within those action sequences that that I find fascinating. Doing these. What's called oner shots, which is these very long takes; they're like 12 to 15 minutes long takes. And when you're doing it with an action sequence. On top of that, I mean the behind the scenes footage. It just makes it even better while you're watching the film to know that this entire time there's literally a man on the hood of a go-kart strapped in with, like safety straps and a mini camera going through the streets and capturing this, these footage. I mean, it's just really free really freakin cool to see all that. I love the movie. I'm a big action guy. I love doing, you know, action stunt movies and all that kind of stuff. So I was just like I was thrilled when I saw the trailer for this movie. I took a look to see who was directing it, because I was always I'm always curious about that kind of stuff. And it is actually a guy by the name of Sam Hargrave. He's the stunt coordinator for Avengers of In Game and Avengers. Civil War. Okay, this is his first time directing. So he is a stunt coordinator usually. And here he is, directing a Netflix show produced by the Russo brothers. And then they get Thor to do it. I mean, come on. It must have been hanging out. I'm doing over special effects on Avengers and been like, you know, it would be really fun if we got rid of all these damn special effects. And we did a real action. movie

Graham

Yeah, Yeah. Then that that must have been the way the conversation went. Like you guys tired of all these green screen shit. Let's just do something where we get hurt.

Jorge de Moya

Tired of these damn CGI Can we Can we do some actual, you know, like fight sequences and you know where I'm not hitting somebody with Thor with a hammer versus, you know actually taking him out with a sniper rifle, you know, like, let's do something really and gritty And I loved it. I loved

Graham

Alright?  

Jocelyn

I thought it You thought it was really interesting that when I read that the director was, Ah, stunt a stunt man himself and ah, you know Ah, a stunt coordinator. I was like, That's a really interesting take a different eye on an action movie. Like he he knows all of the ins and outs and what it makes to make a fight scene look real. So what better person to direct an action movie than somebody who coordinates the fights and is involved in them himself?

Jorge de Moya

And you think you would think it's more done? Jo Jo, You would think that they do that more often, but it's actually a very rare thing for a guy to go from stunt coordinator to director.

Jocelyn

It's It's a shame, you know, it's it's kind of like I don't like a snob club or something,

Graham

and that's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask, Why do you think that doesn't happen often Because, as Jocelyn said these people that are the stunt coordinator are like the ones who are at risk who know the risk. So who better to direct in action movie than somebody who is in the action himself? While you know the dude that's getting paid, all the money goes and sits back in his trailer,

Jorge de Moya

you know, I really think it has to do with the producers behind it. E. I think that's where it comes in because Joe Russo is the wrote the screenplay, based on a graphic novel called Ciudad, and Joe Russo is the director for Avengers, and Sam Hargrave was his stunt coordinator, so he probably was like, Do you want to direct something that's a little bit more? Really? I'll let you direct it. I think it's just about that relationship they had, because other directors that have done sequences like this are very good, and they use the same stunt coordinator. But it's never like the jump of stuff. Coordinator to director. You know, they have a good relationship. At least here was more of I think Joe Russo was just like I want you to direct it. He gave him that shot,

Graham

very generous of him. If that's the case,

Jocelyn

I think it's. I think it's just him being generous and knowing that there was a good product here and just supporting it and right place right time. Because if it's not this stunt coordinator from the Avengers on set with him for who knows how long, doing those movies, you know, they would have never built that relationship.  

Graham

So it sounds like we're talking about a very special kind of movies. Ain't it?

Jorge de Moya

I think so. I mean, it is a special kind of movie, because usually you would see these in the theaters, right? Usually did you be all hyped up in theaters? But it went straight to Netflix,

Graham

right! 

Jocelyn

Well, I was. I was thinking when I was watching it too,  watching Chris Hemsworth in it, that this is the kind of movie that, as Jorge just said, would you would expect a huge Hollywood premiere and, ah, you know, a lot of build up to it. And it came out on Netflix. And I think it's one of Netflix's biggest movies currently maybe their biggest open ever, I think, and it makes me think of of sort of Hollywood history, how, like the old movie stars you know back in the in the forties in the fifties didn't want to do television. There was like a stigma against doing television of your career is over if you do TV and you know that kind of that eventually changed. And there's just a good television. Actors, of course, is there are movie actors, so I think there's kind of ah, a swing. Maybe in the Hollywood actors and going, Hey, we can put just as much, uh, look a good product, good content, have as much of a reach and and be able to act the way we want too. You know the kind of product we want to put out with streaming as we could with a big budget Hollywood movie.

Graham

Yeah, I think it's definitely blurring the line between between one thing and the other and just becoming films. Being films as opposed to This is a made for TV movie or made for streaming service movie and made for Hollywood because there is nothing. these movie but up from what From what I saw, and Jorge, of course, you can amplify now, but from what I saw, this movie has nothing to envy anything that is big screen bound. And in fact, as Jocelyn said it could have well being in movie with a theatrical release.

Jorge de Moya

Oh definitely, and sometimes with these action sequence, people complain about the plot. You know that the plot wasn't as significant or and I was like the plot was pretty basic and a simple plot for an action movie, but it didn't need to be complicated. You know, it's a mercenary that's in the middle of a, you know, massive drug battle that's going on, and he's trying to extract an asset. That's it just so happens that the asset is a kid and, you know, a Hollywood movie like Bad Boys for Life. You know, that was released in theaters. And these both of these movies, they lack that plot. They lack that, you know, substance in the plotline, but they're both rated the same, and I was like had to spend millions of dollars in marketing in theaters. There's an extraction, didn't have to do that. They just throw it up on Netflix and they got the same reach.

Graham

But is this is the story as simplistic as it sounds? I mean, I kind of I saw a bit even for an action hero, there was a huge amount of humanity behind it. And also there was. It's not always that the comedic portion of an action movie strikes a good balance. And here there was a load of, you know, laughable moments that were like perfect, you know, no cheesy, but but but rather perfect, like, Oh, damn, they managed to make this funny. That was good.  

Jorge de Moya

You know, I think the hopefully this is in a spoilers. But when he gets on the phone, when Chris and Works character Tyler Rake jumps on the phone after a fight sequence and tells his commanding officer like, You know, you need to get me out of here we just finished battling the Goonies from hell. That is a hysterical moment, so smart and it just it was. It was uncharacteristic, almost, Yeah, what they gave you a glimpse into his personality, the character's personality that you know. He had that humanity to him, that he was a little bit of a dad kind of jokester. And then I started thinking, you know, he's got a little bit of a dad vibe with him, you know? Why is that? And as the movie goes along. Then you see why he's so protective of the asset and why he feels the way he does for that kid.

Graham

Yeah. See, that wasn't it, wasn't that, you know, uh, nonchalant, there was there was a bit more off depth to to for me to most of the characters. Because this guy Raju... uh Saju Ray in the duty. First of all, what an actor this Indian dude is huh?  

Jorge de Moya

Oh yeah, he was... I mean, in a great Bollywood actor, Just so you know. And I wonder Jojo, what do you think on this? I believe that the casting for this was perfect and by putting it on Netflix because you had a an American looking even I used from Australia on American looking action star against a Bollywood action star like he was, He's pretty big in India. And then you put it on Netflix. If you put that in theaters, you wouldn't have that reach.

Graham

That is true.  

Jocelyn

I agree. I agree. And I think I think, too, that it really showcased how good the Bollywood actors are since some of America's resistant to appreciating some of that. And I I also think that it I really enjoyed the facts that instead of having everyone speak English with an accent, that they just have them speak their native language. And there was subtitles. E mean there was some English, of course, No one in the third in there, But I enjoyed. I enjoyed that because I felt more immersed. I felt more like I was getting a real experience into India or Bangladesh. Uh, so I I enjoyed that part of it because so often I would go so far to say if this had been if this had had a Hollywood release, that they would have forced, maybe overdubbing, or to have the actress speak in accented English toe, make it so that Americans didn't have to repeat. Yeah,

Jorge de Moya

well, what's good is that they also did what I love. And it is. It's a part of the couch. Dad's persona is that I watched everything with subtitles because if it's too loud, it wakes up the baby. Yes, so for me, it's like you know what? Go ahead. Use different languages, use different dialects of Indian languages, which was also in there. Have them speak a little bit British or Australian. It it doesn't matter to me because I have the subtitles

Graham

Yeah. I mean, you're right,  the subtitles for me Have always been a little bit offer off a comfort blanket, if you will, Because, you know, I grew up watching movies that were in English already either subtitled in French or in in Spanish. And then later on, subtitle became like my way in, in fact, off getting better You know, the languages that I speak, right? So I like you say I watch everything, whether it's in English or whether it's any other language that I understand I always put subtitles that just just, you know, just because for some reason, so the idea, the fact that they didn't they didn't make it e a bunch of Hollywood actors in Bangladesh, and it was more like one or two couple of white dudes. And then most of the rest of the cast or the entire rest of the cast actually made out off Bangladeshi. It was a perfect thing to do for a Netflix movie and no, yeah, a big Hollywood release movie.

Jorge de Moya

And and not to mention that guess what they've just announced. I mean, just this past week, was it got such a positive reaction. A sequel has been announced with the writers and the director attached to it and Chris Hemsworth in Talks to Return.  

Graham

Oh Boy! Is that a good thing?

Jorge de Moya

So, right off? You know, I say yes, because I feel like this could be, you know, like a little bit of a franchise for Netflix. Like an action franchise for Netflix, where the stories air different now it could involve the same mercenary and his kind of stories. What I would like to see is that the tackle, a different country or a different city. Next, there's something that I love in films, and that is when the city itself is it's own character. Director Woody Allen would do this all the time. Manhattan, Vicky Cristina, Barcelona. His films would have a city that would speak to you, and the city itself would almost be a character. And I felt like in this film for an action movie. The city is of Bangladesh, of Of of India was its own character. Everything that was going on within the city mattered to the characters and mattered to the story, so I hope that maybe if they do this again, they do it and I don't know Australia or they do it in. Let's say they do it in Jeez, I don't know. China, Japan. They do it in another city where it can highlight that city or that country.

Graham

Yeah, yes, also. But that aside, I'm conflicted with the idea of, making of, making these sort of a bit of a franchise. What do you think Jojo?

Jocelyn

It's difficult to say without giving away the ending, so that makes it a little difficult to comment on. I think as a franchise, it could certainly be very interesting to see. As George said, Ah, you know, maybe we could have like a team movie lives with different team members in different cities. You know, Could be prequels could be different times where things were happening. It doesn't necessarily have to be directly related to this movie. In terms of timeline, you get danced around it well enough. I think

Jorge de Moya

it's so confusing. I don't know what what are we talking about again?

Graham

You know, if that was the case, then I'm all for it because when you make a character like what's his name? Tyler. Rake off course, even though you get a glimpse at his past or his demons, or is his aches. You certainly would like to know a bit more about the story, right? So if they were to come back in, expand more on Tyler Rake in his earlier days, up until the moment of extraction, then I'm certainly I'm certain that they could make at least give us at least three more movies of those. What do you think Jorge?

Jorge de Moya

I think so. I think it depends on how they do it. You're right, because if if it's a continuation, some people may not feel like that's okay. If it's a prequel, some people may be like, Well, what are they going to do now? Show us. You know that, Hey, you know his past were demons that he was fighting all along. But his past wasn't an accident. His past had meaning towards it. Wouldn't that be kind of cheesy for a prequel? I think so. So it depends on how they tackle it Now. The interesting thing is, what? What does the graphic novel look like with this, you know? Are there more pieces to the graphic novel of the graphic novel called Ciudad? Maybe there's like other additions to that graphic novel, and they're just going to take a different one. I'm not sure, because if if they're doing it based off that graphic novel I would love to see or hear or read about that graphic novel and its pieces. Does it have more pieces to it? Because we may not know exactly what direction they're going for. Maybe there's like 20 different additions of extraction, all with different players and always different people or with different timelines. Like you said, Um, whenever we just don't know,

Graham

right? And just just throwing a ball out there, it could be that, you know, Rake was member of an Elite Team, and they choose to show you, you know, a story which with each one of those team members in and they started, the whole thing would rate. So you never know. I think I think there's quite a bit to do with it.

Jorge de Moya

I think if that's the case, I think that would be the the funnest way for to go about Yes, Chris Hemsworth is returning, but he may not be returning as the main character in this in in the next you know sequel. He may just be, you know, passing by because he interacts with a new main character that's doing a difference extraction from a different timeline or a different story or whatever the case may be. But all I know is that in terms of action sequences, I think this has to be one of the better action movies I've seen in the past decade or so.

Graham

Yeah, maybe we've given Netflix a whole lot of idea that they still haven't even thought about and listen to this little podcast. Take all the idea. We're running with it and never pay us for it. Saying,

Jocelyn

Yeah, you're really see that happening.

Jorge de Moya

Or they could just hire us and just call it a day.

Graham

Forget Russo brothers and shit, hire Graham, Jojo and Jorge and done!. But yeah, Look, I said I wasn't expecting to have a lot of fun with this movie. In fact, I was expecting to sit there and make fun of the movie as opposed to have a fun, a lot of fun watching it. Did any of you have these kind of preconceived ideas of it? Like I know you saw the trailer, and it cold is sort of like had an impact on your but your film guy you think is your background So that I'm assuming it tells a story about for me. Yeah, it was like that. This is a cheesy action movie. I'm just gonna watch it to make fun of it. What did you think, Jocelyn?

Jocelyn

Yeah, I I really wasn't quite sure what to expect. I I enjoy action movies. A good one. So I was hoping for a good one, and Ah, so I definitely think that it's it's one of those because, you know, I I like John Wick. I like, like a lot of the violent movies and and things like that. It gets course, sort of cathartic sometimes, but ah, but yeah, I I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't quite sure what to expect. Not really being, you know, familiar with the director, but intrigued with the idea that he was a stunt man himself. Yeah,

Jorge de Moya

definitely. I mean, yeah, that the the fact that I have that film background for me all I had to hear Waas. You know, there is a action single take action sequence at last 11 minutes and 30 seconds, and I went well if the movie sucks. I am going to fast forward to that 11 minutes and 30 seconds. Watch that clip and then turn it off. So it's a good because I think that just to me is really cool. It's just one of those things I've seen it before, and I love when they do it. There's another action movie that I recommend called The Raid 2 That also has one of those kinds of action sequences, and you'll be happy to know it's also subtitled because it's a foreign film. But The Raid and The Raid 2 they have phenomenal action sequences with single takes. One of my favorite movies out there is Children of Men, which was directed by Alfonzo Cuaron, who's one of my favorite directors. He does a great single take action sequence in that movie. Yes, um, and then, of course, Birdman with Michael Keaton is known. Has one has another phenomenal singlet.

Graham

That's another Cuaron movie, too. Oh, no, that's Gonzalez Inaritu  

Jorge de Moya

That's Inarritu. Yeah, that is the Latin like the Latino filmmaker cult. I guess it is not a cult, but it's at the Latino connection that they have there's Inaritu Cuaron and Guillermo del Toro there, like these three Latin directors that are just they're phenomenal, in my opinion.

Graham

So let me ask you a question about the the one take thing that seems to be getting so much more popular now where why do you think it's been adopted as a go to, especially for actions? Do you think the advent of one person shooting video games had may have had influence and that this is some, um, I overthinking this?

Jorge de Moya

No, I actually think that's a very good point. The the concept of video games and that multiplayer mode. I mean, how they shot an entire movie from the first shooter point of view. I don't know if you ever saw that movie, God, What was it called? It was It was actually wasn't that great, unfortunately, but it's it's kind of like tapping into the current audience that love the single player, you know, point of view, shoot em up video games and so many people are getting that. Yes, thank you. Hardcore, Henry. Good call. But, you know, I think it started with, you know, in the nineties they had the steady cams. And when the steady cam first came out, which it came out 1976 with Rocky and a couple of other films doing that really cool action sequence where he's running up the steps and the camera was able to follow that as that technology evolved, they just kept going. Well, how can we push this right now? They're like, Well, weaken, strap a dude to a go cart and hold the camera And we could chase cars and we could chase, you know, action actors down alleyways all in one take. So they just keep continue to push the boundaries of what they can do with a Steadicam, and it just evolves from that.

Graham

That's dope. It's really, really something. Because, of course, I think you're gonna If you start making action movie like that where the person watching the movie feels like there have some sort of participation in the movie, then you will need fewer gimmicks uh fewer  explosions that are like too cheesy. You know that that famous scene where the things start, you know the explosion happens, and then the actor started walking away in the It's a slow moving scene it like your little How cool I am would fire my background. E I'm always expected that shit like yeah, action movie? That will happen at some point. I'm waiting for it. Wait for it. Boom. Yeah, there it is. Like, Why the Why? Why? Why hasn't anybody thought? Yeah, maybe we've done enough of these. Oh,

Jorge de Moya

yeah, No, it's one of those things. It's also a film thing. I mean, without the action sequences A fun, you know, fact is that Alfred Hitchcock did a on our and 20 minute film called Rope and like 1950 something. And I remember this from my film history class He did, and it almost an entire movie with one take. And he would constantly zoom to like a dark black object in order to do the film transition smoothly. Because at that time the cameras were only allowed to do a full take for 10 to 15 minutes long. But he would just continue every 10 minutes or so, he would zoom in on a dark object or something that would do the transition, and that would keep going.

Graham

I can only imagine how much firewood they burn for that

Jorge de Moya

I have no idea what a So it's just I guess it's like one of those fun things to do in film. If you could pull that off, you know those one shots you've kind of cemented yourself as you know, not just a movie guy or something. You're a filmmaker,

Graham

all right, So let me ask you these in terms of accolades from Hollywood and for, you know, let's talk about then next award season. Do you think this movie will get its dues? Both of you think so Or is it gonna be one of those a Netflix movie? Forget 88. Where are Hollywood? We are. We don't think they deserve because you know that that has been the case. I mean, you know, I think, What's his name? That movie by Scorsese that he's directed last year was

Jocelyn

the Irishman.

Graham

The Irishman was nominated because of the people in it, but I don't think it was necessarily nominated because it was a Netflix movie. It was because you had Pacino, you had De Niro, you had Scorsese, you had Pesci. So you can You can't not nominate these people. But we do know that there is an actual bias against movies made for Netflix or Amazon, for that matter, in at least when it comes to Oscars and, you know, Academy Award stuff. So what do you think this movie does for the industry?  

Jorge de Moya

Jojo, go ahead

Jocelyn

I would be surprised if it was nominated for anything. It would be very cool, though, to see something to do with cinematography or editing. Maybe that's the most I could see happening. I don't see the director getting any accolades to start with because of the snobbery in Hollywood. And you know, Hollywood loves their dramas and their sob fests. Or I should say Oscars does so. But I could see, you know, sound editing or something along those lines happening.

Jorge de Moya

No, I'm gonna say that it doesn't get nominated for anything. I love this movie, but it doesn't get a lick of any kind of a nomination. It's It's not a war epic like 19 17. It doesn't have multiple Hollywood actors in it unless they surprisingly decide which which I've heard, has been rumored a little bit that they would actually put together a stunt. Korir grabbed me and I could stunt coordinator award for the Academy Awards versus Virginia Exactly versus just special effects because they're completely different. You know, of course, Star Wars and Adventures has great special effects. And, you know, of course, a great film like Marie Antoinette is great for makeup and hair style and costume design. But what about the just the basic directing, blocking or stunt choreograph? You know, stunt choreographed fights? There's a lot of detail to those things, and there's a lot of creativity. You know, if you have a main character fighting in an elevator, you know, how do  you block that. How do you shoot that? That takes a lot of creativity. And for some of these action movies that think outside the box, yes, there should be an award for something like that. But I doubt they'll ever do it, because that just means, you know, the next Blade movie gets nominated for an Academy road, and they're like, way have vampires in the award ceremony. You can only have the guys from Irishman as the vampires.

Graham

Yeah, that is, That's a That's a view, really is like, you know, you are not going to do this. We're not going to legitimize certain certain genre or something like that. But you know the most in the most important thing is they forget how we are enjoying in how we like. We've been 45 minutes almost geeking over these particular movie and eso we the ones who pay for it, the ones who who's critical point of view actually says something to the point to the point of a sequel being in talks, you know, we would very much like it if if they were more considered towards these genre own type of movie. Um, I wanted to talk about the critical response and some of the negative criticism about this movie, and I, uh, I never saw like when I watched this movie, I never saw it as you know what many have categorized as just another "white savior" type of story. But that seems to have been one of the main criticism of it. Ah, Variety called the film "a white savior version of Man On Fire. Screen Rant said that "the film's regressive white savior element drag it, dragged it down". Um, Sheryl, Khala of the South African, said extraction reminds me of a game I once played, perhaps on PlayStation three many moons ago, the memory feels vague. So was, is any of that criticism fair?

Jorge de Moya

I don't think it's fair, though I can understand the criticism because that has that concept has been over used. You know, The White Saviour concept in action movies has definitely have been overused. But if they really watch the movie, is Tyler Rake really the hero in this? That is it. The of character, you know, is it exactly is it you know, the other character that comes to the rescue in Not just for the for the for the boy, but also for him, for his family, but also for Rake and for his family. And he, you know, I'm not to get I'm not gonna give anything away. No spoilers. But he puts himself in vulnerable positions to make sure that baking, you know, get away and that they can continue the mission. He's the real hero behind it, so it's kind of like I don't buy the White Saviour thing on this one. You have to watch this film to really see that it's not just about Chris Hammond was worth character Tyler Rake, saving the day There's more to it than that.

Jorge de Moya

So it's sort of a little bit of a myopic take on the movies. You will. What do you think, Jojo?

Jocelyn

I I I can understand the criticism, but I also agree with with George that it's something that you need to watch to fully understand. I would definitely agree that the character of Saju is much more of a hero. Um, I would even put forth that Ovi is a hero himself. There's a scene between the actor Chris Hemsworth and David Harbour, and you know, the child. The asset kind of takes some of the responsibility into his own hands for his, for his safety. And I thought that was a great scene in a very powerful scene and showed a lot about the strength of character of the child of the asset. And I think it's more nuanced than just white savior. I think it needs a little more credit than that.

Graham

Absolutely, because he's is what what I think about a savior. A savior is actually in act of kindness with a sense of altruism, and when you're getting paid about a bunch of money to go, just get a kid out of out of captivity. I don't think you are much of a savior. He may have turned himself into a savior when he was given the orders to: "Hey, man. We're done" and he's like, No, that's what I was paid to do. But still, he was honoring what he was paid to do, as opposed to. I'm just going to save this kid so e. I think it's Ah, it's a It's a bit too near sighted and a lot off lack of nuance, as Jocelyn said on the part of it of the critics in that respect.

Jorge de Moya

 if you want, if you want Academy Award winning movies that are definitely white savior Red Flag in that sense and they're still very good flicks. But it has that nuanced just nailing it over your head over and over again is ah, the blind side and green book for I mean, come on. That is, as you know, nailing over and over in the head with a nails as white skippers. Utkan freaking get yes, is as glare possible. Not, you know, this movie extraction. That's an action sequence with multiple, you know, heroic moments from different characters

Jocelyn

because I e. I mean, you even have and in thinking about it to you even have the character of Nick Con totally discounts her on her actions. And that's, you know, that's irritating because she, uh, she she was about us.

Graham

She is. She was mad. She was like, Yo, she did that? Neat. And finally, before we start wrapping up, I want to talk about some of the criticism of the movie in terms of the portrayal, the negative portrayal that people complained a lot about the inaccurate portrayal of Bangladesh. We see that a lot, but If you watch a movie like this, would you, as the viewer think, but remind me to never set foot in Bangladesh is anymore? Or would you think every city has a bad side? But, you know, it's worth going, you know? I mean, like, is that what it takes? I guess my question is for you to swear off I'm never gonna visit this place because of this movie.

Jorge de Moya

No, it just flat out. No, let's also look at that. We cannot look at all these films with just a book cover. You have to look at the depth off course the film is set in a rougher part of the neighborhood of Bangladesh because of Look who the main villain is. He's a frickin drug lord, you know, Con man or whatever. The alley was bad guy, like he's scum e. He's just He's not exactly, you know, the Prince of India right now. He's he's, ah, horrible person. And so, of course, it's set in a rougher part of the neighborhood. Yeah, you gotta look at the characters that you're there, and it's much easier to move around. If you're trying to hide, you would go hide somewhere where you're not to be found, which would be in these kinds of neighborhoods if you're trying to get away. Where are you gonna go, to The most expensive hotel in the city who are going to try to hide in the suburbs?

Graham

Yeah. Will you also know that you can buy protection? Because I can. You can go into any poor neighborhood instead, he a more crashed year. Some people looking for me, he has money here. Some guns go out there and don't let anybody in as opposed to, you know, go to the Waldorf Astoria and tell reception. Yeah, If anybody looking for me, I'm here

Jorge de Moya

exactly,  

Jocelyn

yeah, I think it comes down to it. It's a movie, Um, and anybody who writes their travel logs based on movies, this is either gonna be wildly disappointed or or horribly murdered at some point, you know, I mean, you can take New York is an example. It's not all Gangsters, you know, mobsters. It's not all the mob in Mafia. There's some pretty scary parts of New York. There's some beautiful parts in New York. So is whatever. It's a movie.

Graham

Yeah, and by the way, it's all about reputation. And if you go to places based on the reputation that you see in movies and shit. Okay, so the only place in my life well, I've ever been shot at is in the like, most peaceful country that people tend to believe it's like some kind of angels paradise. And it was in Bern, Switzerland. So and I've been through some pretty rough places and shit. So there you have.  

Jocelyn

Well, there you go. Remind me to never go to Switzerland taking away from this movie.

Jorge de Moya

I am never going to Switzerland, but it s own. I thought they were so neutral.

Graham

I most I must I must also add to that that I was at a bar, that he was mainly Dominicans and Italians. So there was, and there was there was a rivalry shit going on between the Dominican and Italians. I'm just saying so. Yes. Switzerland is still safe. Just keep away from Dominicans, beefing with Italians.  

Jocelyn

You saying that? I mean, that is just proof of the fact that there is a scary part of any city or any country that you go to or there's a safe part absolute someplace, you know? So yeah. No, if you again if you base your travel log off of movies, you're done s  

Graham

so extraction is actually a pretty good movie. And I'm very glad that we have our own in house expert, Jorge de Moya, of  Couch Dadpodcast who came and sort of deciphered all of the technicalities of these the making of this movie for us. It's good to have your own film, you know, film, production geek in the book. And yes, I'm gonna continue calling you a geek.

Jorge de Moya

I would want nothing else. Okay. So ever since the Big Bang theory, we can actually now support that word.

Graham

Where is that?  wear it as a badge of honor

Jorge de Moya

wear it is a badge of honor. Exactly.

Graham

So couch dad podcasts is under on the making, right?

Jorge de Moya

Yes. Yes. Going to be available in the next couple days. So definitely take a listen anywhere you get your podcasts. Also, you can follow me on instagram at couch Deads podcast or on Twitter at @CouchdadPod.

Graham

And you go there, you have it.  And Jocelyn tell people were to find you on the social media.

Jocelyn

I am Jocelyn podcast on the instagrams, and that's well, all the only places I am at the moment.

Graham

is the only place you'll find.  

Jocelyn

Yeah, She's She's reclusive.  

Graham

Yeah, trust me, trust me on this. But I've almost gotten on my own my knees and beg for at least a Pinterest page and nothing but hey, man, nothing way. You will find us on Instagram as kicking instrument underscore podcast and off course on Twitter we are kicking n streaming and on Facebook we also kicking instrument. So wherever you go fighting even as long as you say kicking its German, you forget the G's just kicking ends German, you Good

Jocelyn

grams. The only Gs you need

Graham

once again. So thank you very much, my friend Jorge de Moya, for coming over. We promise would have you once once a month. And this is second time in consecutively. We've had you and we'll have more of you off course as long as you are available.

Jorge de Moya

Oh, absolutely. And I would love to Come on. And I would say that maybe towards the end of May, beginning of June, there is a TV show that I am dying to watch starring Steve Carell. And it is called Space Force on Netflix. If there's anywhere that I'm gonna talk about this this movie, if you haven't seen the trailer, please go watch it. It looks hysterical. I would love to come on kicking and streaming and discuss this show when

Jocelyn

I can't. I can't wait for this one. Either

Jorge de Moya

course will do that. By the way, by the way, after the first episode, you were on as soon as I finished with finished recording the episode. I started Brockmeyer and I didn't stop until I was done with the last season on is one of the most rewarding things I've ever watched in my life. So thank you for that. Yes. Yes. And they'll be going losing anybody too much. All right, so for me, for just chillin for George De Moya, this is goodbye. Thank you very much for being with us. Everyone. We'll see you next time by

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Graham

Hello, everyone. And welcome to another episode of Kickin' & Streamin' here with you once again the Graham in the company, in social distancing guidelines in the company, of Jojo.  We're here with another episode. Of course, as we've tried to maintain course, maintained normalcy with the way we put out our episodes, even though we have noticed definitely a sort of, a decrease in how our episodes have been consumed. And it is. Of course, it makes sense because most of you  will listen to our episodes while commuting to work. And at this point there's a large majority of our listenership that is either working from home or simply have no time really to be listening to podcasts, so we understand. 

Jocelyn

Yeah, and, um, yeah, you're you might have had a 45 minute commute before, and now you're just, you know, walking over to your computer or, ah, where you just, uh, got dealing with kids being home and and, uh, and other things like that. So But we're here.

Graham

Yes, and, you know, it hasn't seized being a challenging time. And we understand that we are going through those challenges with you. I mean, as you know, we are here in the United States, which has become sort of like number one in cases as of now we're dealing with. And, uh but we know, you know, we're all going through the same thing. And we tried to put on every week an episode so that we can at least have some sense of normalcy. And, um, we hope you here for it. Yes. And this week, we are going to talk about his little Disney movie entitled Timmy Failure: Mistakes Were Made, and I myself have just watch this movie, and I have a lot to say about it. Ah, uh um but I think we're gonna have fun talking about it. What do you think? So

Jocelyn

I think so too.  I think so too. I am certain this one was kind of my pick in my suggestion for the show, because I am such a big fan of the writer behind it. Stephan Pastis, a fan of his life story as well. He ... I first was introduced to him through the comic strip Pearls before... Pearls before Swine, which was kind of, Ah, first for its time instead of being first in the newspapers or the funny papers of the comic strips on Sundays. It was one of the first cartoons to debut online, and it was kind of a the producers threw it up there as just a a way to see, you know, comics dot com. They put it on there, and it was we're like, we'll see how it does online before we actually waste ink on it because that's what the Internet was, back said. It wasn't the primary thing. Your newspaper was your primary thing, so it drew a lot of of attention. That drew a lot of criticism. It was controversial. It was hilarious. And so he finally got to to be in the newspapers. But his life story is interesting because he his he was a insurance defense attorney for about 10 years, so he had gone to college and everything passed. The bar, had become an attorney and hated it. I hated everything about being an attorney. He hated, see anxiety, of being an attorney. He hated his job, uh but what he loves doing was drawing little comic strips. And so he he finally, after a lot of work in between being attorney and everything, he finally ah decided to actually pursue his dream. It got to the point where he was like, I can't do this anymore. I, um you know, I I'm miserable and, uh is everything is so terrible. The only thing I have it's that's taking me out of this job is my little comic strip. That's that's makes me laugh. So maybe it'll make other people laugh, too. So he, uh, he eventually became very, uh, very popular. It's a hilarious comic strip. It has great characters. But then he went on to write a series of books based on a character named Timmy Failure, and this movie that we're talking about Timmy Failure Mistakes Were Made is based on the first book he wrote about Timmy failure, I think inspired a little bit by Diary of a Wimpy Kid and then also, of course, the Calvin and Hobbes characters because he he did draw inspiration from the creators of Calvin and Hobbes, Bill Waterson. They actually, uh, collaborated when Bill Waterson was retired, his he's notoriously reclusive. So they he actually got Bill Waterson to write a week's worth of his of his strip, which is a huge deal in the comics world. So it was. But it's it's very cool. It's kind of an homage to Calvin and Hobbes. And then, of course, it's its own thing, too. So Disney Plus decided to make a movie about it.

Graham

Alright, so it is amazing that you know the story, the story of the back and forth of of these of these author. So, um, there we go Just discovering that Jocelyn is a comic nerd s Oh, yeah, there's that I was listening to you and I was like, amazed like  What? you see, because she knows everything about this dude and I was following by reading his bio. And I'm like, Every time I read something, you came up right with it, like bam and I'm like, OK, she's for real. So in the spirit of your knowledge of this, then I think, of course you should tell us what Timmy failure mistakes were made is about.

Jocelyn

It's It's a It's a cute little movie. It's, ah, about an 11 year old boy with his own detective agency. It's set in Portland, Oregon, and all of the the whimsical Tween ISS of that town hit hits those notes pretty hard. Ah, the movie does. And ah, he runs this detective agency with the help of his, imaginary best friend who happens to be a 1200 lbs polar bear. So this movie is about a couple of little cases and a couple of things that happened in Timmy's life, and I think it's It's pretty cute. I don't know that it necessarily, uh, captures everything to do with the books. I have not read these books in particular, but I think it's worth well of the watch..

Graham

Yeah, I mean, this is the first time I watch something that is based of a book, and I feel like, Okay, so now I have to go and read the book and the reason The reason why is because I always go back and ask people where there were they faithful to to the book where they you know how different, how much difference is there and somehow I don't even feel like asking anyone about this is just like I want. I want to go. I want to see the storytelling side of the book. And in that respect, how much more charming? The book makes Timmy for me, because I... So here's the thing. I watched a movie for the first half hour of the movie I had. I had a hard time sort of understanding the modus operandi of Timmy Failure right? And so at the end of the day, I started to figure out what was going on. But not because the story told me necessarily is because I now had enough information to understand that this is a kid with a huge imagination and at the same time has taken all of that imagination and converted it into his own coping mechanism with shit that are going on in his life. Yes,  and once I realize that all of these invention all of that imagination, all of those things where his coping mechanism. Then I saw the kid. Then I understood the movie. Then I found interest to continue watching the movie. And so I suppose my question is the fact that I struggled to get captivated by the movie in the first half hour is that something you think happened to me or is it particularly a failure in the movie itself?

Jocelyn

I am gonna go towards it being a failure in the movie. I have to say I found the actor and I hate to say this, of course, because he's a kid actor, but he's not gonna hear this. So I found the little boy who played to me failure to maybe draw his inspiration a little too much from young Sheldon. Um, in some ways, maybe, maybe, and in some ways the producer and the director kind of pushing autism a little bit harder, as opposed to imagination. I'm of course not by any means saying that autistic Children could not have imagination. Timmy, maybe autistic. I have absolutely no idea. But it didn't feel like I don't know. It didn't feel like just a kid with imagination. It felt like we were kind of having an agenda pushed a little bit. So I feel like that kind of in some ways major sort of lose thes e. This is a kid with a huge imagination. This is a kid who kind of lives in a dream world. Everything that we're seeing on the screen isn't really necessarily happening at this moment. It's possibly happening in the mind of Timmy. I felt like the movie took a little while to find its footing in explaining that in a way that made sense.

Graham

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I I was I was trying at some point, for instance, my wife even asked me so Nobody else noticed the fucking bear. And I'm like, I don't even know if the bear is imaginary or , not. And I had to make that conclusion myself at the end. Not at the end. But at some point, I'm like, Okay, so the bear is definitely not a thing. It's just that's Timmy's imaginary friend. You know

Jocelyn

gets his imaginary friend and his his, you know, it be named Papa. Papa Bear is kind of his his way of dealing with the fact that his father walked out on them. Right, right, All right,

Graham

that is that is absolutely right. And so I think, as you were saying, the kid it I'm not particularly talking about the actor. But the kid they tried to present us here was almost way too serious to be a kid. And like his imagine is his imagination wasn't fun I don't know if that if that, you know. I mean, like, a times it was dangerous, but wasn't there wasn't, You know, he's dreams and imagination. I didn't have that magic that you expect from the mind of, kid. So I I simply had had trouble understanding that for a long time.

Jocelyn

I think some of that too maybe from the fact that to me. And I think maybe the book would help explain this a little better, in fact, that Timmy hasn't really had a great life, you know, is it's it's his mom works two jobs, so he never sees his mom. His dad walked out on them. He is essentially just left alone because he doesn't have any friends to wander around, and I can sort of understand his imagination. Being a bit bleak. It may be a bit cynical because he doesn't really have anything particularly happy to base it on. You know, the character of the mom Patty is pretty. She's not really a very good mom. She just isn't, um you know, she's she's pretty. She's pretty flighty and pretty pretty not, and I don't know, not not present with your child and not just because she's working, but I think just because she's just not present and you know, the character of Crispin is  I don't know, maybe the closest to normal that the kid comes to. The character played by Craig Robinson of Mr Jenkins, I think is lovely. And, uh, kind of I think is I wish they'd introduced him a little earlier because I feel like that's the point. Perhaps when you start to understand Timmy

Graham

That's exactly and I'm like, Oh, my God, why didn't they do that already? Yeah,

Jocelyn

and I would have loved to have seen more of Craig Robinson because it was every every interaction that he had with Timmy, I felt helped you understand to me better

Graham

and changed Timmy's life in ways that no one else could. Yes, exactly. Exactly. S O that was an important character there. And yes, I'm still asking why why was he introduced so late? Anybody that had some sort of significance in Timmy's life other than his mom was introduced a bit too late in the movie. And this is why I'm telling you like I have to get acquainted with the with the with the series of books because I don't know if the screenplay does justice to the books, as as I see it in this movie. Having said that, you touched on the bright sides of the movie and I don't want to be the one to be crapping all over the movie. So let's talk about a little bit of those bright sides up. Number one for me is Timmy can be mad Funny if you if you follow his logic of things. The first thing that made me laugh out loud and was the first like nine minutes of the movie was how bad of an Investigator is.

Jocelyn

Yeah, thing is in the world to pick to start. He's the worst detective in the world.  

Jocelyn

My God, he was terrible. It so when he was looking for the book bag,  Gunnar's  book bag. He goes straight to the source. The bag was there all the entire time, just walks out bump, That's it. And he kept piling on work like okay, note to self, this, this, this, and that? And I'm like, Dude, you could have resolved these 10 minutes ago

Jocelyn

if you just turned around. Noticed what that kid was holding. And so

Graham

there's that. And then I like every time something was told, told to him he imagined it, and he was so literal that it was funny, like when his mom said something about We went for a ride and it was a lot of fun. His imagination went way out there. And he says to mom, I hope we were doing anything stupid. like, Who is this kid? But above all, the one thing that I found mad funny every time he referred to them as that was all of the hipsters of Oregon and Seattle, he called them Russians.

Jocelyn

Yes,  

Graham

the first time he called them Russians. I was like, Are they Russians  really? Then I realized that every time he referred to them, there was the typical hipster overly metro sexual bearded, you know, handle

Jocelyn

unicycle handlebar moustache. Yes, E,

Graham

I was like, Oh, so that's what that that was one of those elements are actually really funny to be. Oh, so I enjoyed that a lot. And you know, as soon as I started noticing those little those little Nuggets stuff as like, I'm actually going to stay with this little movie, this is good, so I don't know what else what it waters do you have in this movie?

Jocelyn

I I enjoyed Wallace Shawn's performance. You know, Wallace Shawn has been around forever. He's, of course, seared into of the American consciousness from the movie The Princess Bride from the Eighties and Inconceivable on duh. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means, but I found him very good as Mr Mr Crocus. I mean, he was while a Sean. That's essentially but at one point, because my husband I watched a movie together in, um because Wallace Shawn, he always makes funny little noises in all of the movies he's in, and my husband is like, Do they just put in the script to make Wallace Shawn noises? when he was going out on the dam to get Timmy and he's going, Uh, my husband's like they totally just put it this way. But I found him funny, and I found him very, even though he was sort of a caricature of ah mean teacher. You could kind of tell that he was supposed to be more than that, you know that he was trying to get to Timmy and just couldn't figure out how to to reach him so that he could advance academically. Um, but I did perform. Did enjoy the performance of Wallace. Shawn, is Mr Crocus

Graham

Yes. Yes, Wallace Shawn It's You're absolutely right. Like this guy is is such a physical actor. Um, you know, his everything about him is his physical expression, right in the face is that he makes those grunts that he make, and but he has such a it face that no one else could have. Uh, yeah, I like that face belongs to Wallace Shawn. Yes, in as soon as I saw him. I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be funny in. He's gonna be playing some kind of grumpy men. But the one thing this one thing you said that I also found that was a bit too late into the movie is when you realize, oh, he's been trying to get to this kid all this... the entire time that he's been trying is really is really going for it. But the entire time, all you could see was him, probably been a little too hard on Timmy, Whereas that wasn't the intention I don't know.  

Jocelyn

Yeah, yeah, I agree

Graham

but let's talk about Craig Robinson in this character off. Uh, what was it Mr  

Jocelyn

Mr Jenkins.

Graham

Mr. Jenkins . First of all Craig Robinson has more range then. I ever thought he did. Hey was serious. He was measured. He was lovable. He was, um I don't know, magnanimous.  

Jocelyn

Yes,  

Graham

compassionate. And I was like, Oh, this guy this guy's really killing it with in this movie. It's amazing how seriously he took this role and how beautifully he portrayed this school counselor.

Jocelyn

Yeah, Yeah, he really, really did. You know, it was there was no phoning it in or anything at all like that. It was I completely believed him as a school counselor and completely believed that he was getting to Timmy, that he that he got him that he understood.

Graham

Yeah. Yeah, And it was so easy for him to. It's almost as if because you expect these people to get serious and, yeah, you have to do these and you have to do that. You have to try and be normal. And he completely went away from the whole idea of Timmy. No, being a normal kid, but rather Yeah, man, I get it I get it. And the way he managed to get to me to do his homework was fucking genius.

Jocelyn

Really was.  

Graham

I was like, Oh, this is so impressive. This is impressive. And I think what was refreshing about Mr Jenkins is that if you look at every character in the movie, everybody is a caricature off. Whatever the character is in real life. Except for Mr Jenkins, you know Mr Crocker's is is a caricature, often old and tired elementary teacher that is fed up with all of this bullshit. The mom is a caricature, er of. You know, some jovial lady that perhaps had a kid and was no never ready for that and still doesn't know how to deal with with the kid and the What was it? The maid Traffic maid Dude, What's his name again? Crispin Crispian is another caricature of somebody who represent authority. But But it's almost like doesn't even believe it, that he has the authority like,

Jocelyn

Yeah, it's like the goofy boyfriend who really likes the mom. But wants to be friends of the kid but also knows. Oh, I need to not be just friends. I need to be some going about on authority, figure in his life.

Graham

So everybody was sort of like caricature-esque, except for the interaction with Mr Jenkins. And that was that was that was when I settled and understood. OK, so this is what this kid is going through, and this is the one person who is going to get to him. I also enjoyed the librarians.

Jocelyn

Oh, I did o e. I did too. I I loved the Read or Bleed

Graham

Yes, the thing I liked about her is that she was never mean to Timmy, but she kind of put him in place like, Yeah, whatever. Dude.

Jocelyn

Yes, exactly when he was something like what you say we'll circle back, she was like, she was like, she's like, No, we're done!

Graham

She said, Hey, dude. You've spent the entire winter, cramped up in  here. You go out and play, man.  You know, like when the librarian is telling you you're spending way too much time in here.

Jocelyn

Yeah. Yeah. Librarian is like, Go go on like that. It's like that

Graham

sounds funny. Uh, some of the kids also were quite lovely. The the nameless one?

Jocelyn

That that cracks me up.  

Graham

And so he decided she was Russian, Russian operative. Aaaah man! There are more funny things in this movie than I expected to tell you the truth

Jocelyn

I liked, um I likes little Molly Moskins to

Graham

Molly  Moskins. Yes.  

Jocelyn

And then, as she kind of, I think, had a little crush a little bit maybe on  Timmy Then when they when they worked out that deal and she was gonna cover for its and then he was kind of, like, not reciprocating with with what she wanted. She was like, OK, well, let in that case, this is what? How it's gonna be. be

Graham

There yo go Yeah. Now you're screwed, Tim. You're gonna love the right. You're gonna do these. You're gonna do that. I'm, like, such a little boss.  

Jocelyn

Yeah, It was like I was gonna do it out of the kindness of my heart, But you're gonna be an asshole about it, all right? No, no, no, no. No kindness anymore. That ship sailed.

Graham

Yeah. Yeah, that Matt. No, you know, what dude I got to say? That was a funny leader movie. Maybe I need I need to lighten up, but yeah, that movie was funny.

Jocelyn

It's cute, it's cute.. it's Not any by any means, any cinematic masterpiece. But I've certainly seen worse.

Graham

Oh, yeah. $42 million to make this movie. Why, Jesus

Jocelyn

Probably all went to the polar bear.  

Graham

Yeah, that's a lot of C g I. Because he was in pretty much everything.

Jocelyn

Yeah, And it was Get CJ. I tell

Graham

he was fantastic CG I liked when he came back. Yeah, into the aquarium thing. And yes, yeah, I was like, Yo, I shouldn't be crying for this. So So let's talk about a little bit about the cast and then Ah, yeah. So the child who plays Timmy failure is Name is Windslowe Fegley  

Jocelyn

Winslow  

Graham

Winslow like two last name for name. It's

Jocelyn

Yeah, it's a little guy for such of such a name. So

Graham

there's that Winslow Phegley What I think What do you make of him like he's probably 10 or 11.  

Jocelyn

Let's see. Um yeah, I would think so. Somewhere around there, Timmy is supposed to be 11. He's probably somewhere around that age, I would think

Graham

Well, both of his parents are actors. August Fegley and Oaks Fegley his parents. Okay, so he's got some pedigrees and  

Jocelyn

yeah, yeah, yeah.  

Graham

And by the way, he's a good little actor. He stayed in character pretty well. He dealt with the character pretty good, but yeah, you're right. It seems like the direction that he was given was to go towards a socially awkward kid. You know, as you said, pushing more towards someone with a is social deficiency as opposed to as opposed to a very imaginative kid Do you know, doing things that should would could be considered normal, You know, go that we can't blame the kid for that, you know? Now, um, the mother was played by Ophelia Lovibond.

Jocelyn

I am not familiar with her at all. She's apparently English. Um, so I don't know. I don't know anything about her. She was in Rocket Man, which I didn't see, but she was in that. She's she's been in quite a few different things, but I just I've missed her somehow.  

Graham

Yeah, but the one thing is that the entire time I saw her, her face looked familiar to me, you know? But I don't know you more like she looked like another actress, as opposed to an actress. Her being an actress that I've seen before. Does that make sense?

Jocelyn

It does make sense. I know what you mean, But I can I could never down. Yeah. Yeah,

Graham

but as you say has been in quite a bit of things. So she made her debut in a Roman Polanski movie. Oliver Twist.  

Jocelyn

Okay,

Graham

in 2005. So she's been around? Yeah. Okay. No, I think she she she played the heck of the out of the character. But Rosie, she just had a couple of scenes to

Jocelyn

that. Yeah, she really wasn't. Mom was not a big part of of Timmy's life.

Graham

Yeah, and so we've talked about Wallace Shawn who is like some sort of national treasure. And Craig Robinson playing Mr Delightfully playing Mr Jenkins, and in Kyle Bornheimer is Crispin. Where have I seen this dude before?

Jocelyn

I don't know. Because I was wondering that myself. He was He was in marriage story, which I'm never gonna watch. Eso I don't know. I really don't know what he would has been in, but he looks I almost think that he was another one of those. Oh, you look like somebody else. You know, who that somebody else waas like somebody from the eighties or something. I almost feel like 

Graham

somehow? He reminded me of. You remember the old version of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart? Uh, what's the name of that dude that is married to Samantha Bee?

Jocelyn

Oh, I can completely see that. I can't remember his name.

Graham

But Amy Yeah, so that that's that's what Every time I saw him, that's who I kept seeing. But why is it that I can't remember? He was He was a Marine.

Jocelyn

Jason Jones?  

Graham

Jason Jones. Yes,  he reminded me of Jason Jones all the time. But like Disney has done it again in that they put out a movie that probably is launching a lot of people's career and just a couple of very well known faces, you know? Yeah, that seems to be an M o for for Disney, with Disney. Plus at least.

Jocelyn

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Graham

So the hot, That's a good thing.  

Jocelyn

Yes,

Graham

Good thing. Er..  Molly Mons.. Molly Moskins her name is Chloe Coleman.

Jocelyn

Great little actress

Graham

is just fun. She has that a little fun face.  

Jocelyn

Yes, exactly.  

Graham

Yeah, but she's been in a lot of things.

Jocelyn

Yeah,

Graham

she she has. She has a long list of things she's been on. She's 11 years-old.

Jocelyn

She's slated to being the next Avatar movie.

Graham

Good Lord. And is it? Well, Avatar's gonna Well, Disney now. Ain't it?.

Jocelyn

I believe so. Yeah.  

Graham

Did they buy Avatar?  Yeah,  

Jocelyn

I think they did 

Graham

They bought the entire thing. And Ai- chun Carrier. Who played Corina? Corina Corina  

Jocelyn

She who shall not be named.  

Graham

Yeah.... So here you have it, Timmy failure. Mistakes were made. Um, it's actually a fun little the movie. And, uh, yeah... I was I was being hard ass on the movie with it. I realized now talking about it, How much fun it was. So So I definitely recommend it. I definitely do. But I do have to go after the book.  

Graham

Yeah,I I want to read the book now, too. You go. Let's say it's a failure on my part.  

Graham

All right, then, so we have talked about this movie and we hope you watch the movie and like it, it's on Disney Plus movie was released in February. And, uh, that one of the top three movies on on Disney Plus,

Jocelyn

yeah, it's it's a fun. It's a fun little thing. And, uh, I think he can let the kids watch it without any worries. Yeah,

Graham

that's true. You know, And, um, go with an open mind and understand that there's a lot to the movie that the eye can see and you'll get there. It's a journey to sort of understanding this movie. But once you get it, you get it and you'll appreciate having having watching it. Haven't watched it. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we of course would like to invite you to follow us on social media Twitter, instagram, Facebook, Pinterest. And also you can always go find find Find out more about us on our websites Kickin and streamin Podcast dotcom. You can find Jocelyn on instagram as jocelynpodcast podcast. And for me it's mrpuzetta. That's m r p u zz etta both on instagram and on  theTwitter box. For today, we're gonna call it a day. Thank of your much for listening and till next time, ani't it?

Jocelyn

Yes. Stay safe. Everybody wash your hands,

Graham

you go ahead and take care now,  people. Bye!

Jocelyn

  Bye!

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Graham

Usually on Skype we only use audio because the hope is that way do one show per Skype. At least we're gonna be doing three shows together in the same studio  way when possible we try to meet as much as possible.  

Jocelyn

Yes,

Graham

except that no is on for seeing the situation.  

Jocelyn

Unprecedented

Graham

yeah. Completely unprecedented. And so now we in What is it? Covid era Podcasting is, uh yeah, it's an amazing thing.

Jocelyn

I wonder what this generation that's being born gonna be born out of all of us is gonna be called like, Are they going to be the Corona kids? And so they gonna be the Covidien ins. What? Thinking today?

Graham

It's definitely gonna have something to do with that, but then on the other hand, I don't know that there was a Spanish flu generation,  so

Jocelyn

I think it killed everybodyI think it killed everybody

Graham

that is true. You are absolutely right. Maybe there isn't one because it fucking killed. Everybody,

Jocelyn

I think, in World War One didn't kill you. You came home and got killed by the Spanish flu. So

Graham

it is. Yo, what fate. What a fate is it? The I was listening to one off my a new friends from podfest's podcast this week.  I was listening to Carry on Friends. I think I You may have seen that I did a little repost from on our instagram page. And one of the things I remember the ladies talking about was how now instead, off a d and B C way talk about BC's before Covid? We no longer have a Christian era I read before Covic after closing after that is that could well be the way will be referring to this epoch in our life. Busy? Yeah.

Jocelyn

I don't know what a return to quote unquote "Normal" is gonna look like

Graham

Yeah, that's that's one thing. I If we go back to normal, that means we've learned nothing from this, have we? 

Jocelyn

Exactly. So? So we're gonna come back to normal

Graham

you have very little faith in this whole thing

Jocelyn

I have no faith in humanity.

Graham

Uh, a right. You You can only hope, but I'm with you. I'm with you. I think one of the things that became a thing during the Spanish flu was people started to adhere to what was new hygiene practices. Right? the whole idea of. Yeah, you should wash your hands after you come out of the commode. That was That was, like, literally a new thing to most people, right? And this was anything off educated people versus non educated people, you know? And so the idea of whether you or know you have running water, you should at least take one shower a day, you know, and the whole thing of, like every seven days, take a bath. You know? 

Jocelyn

Sunday night, , everybody gets in the same tub and just the smallest to the last one gets filthiest water.

Graham

Amazing. Amazing. Great. But the idea is we kind of got fancier with all of this. But we never, we didn't kind of evolve with it, did we? like, you know, some things get better, but as a species we still find ourselves doing practices that that gets us to have pandemics like this because it's cooking. This things happened because we f'd up didn't w know. So

Jocelyn

I was I was reading an article. It was about San Francisco during the Spanish pandemics, the Spanish flu. And there was a group in San Francisco in 1918 that marched for the rights to not wear masks, and they started a whole one something like Americans against Masks Society or something like  

Graham

You're kidding me? 

Jocelyn

No it was 1918, so It's been well documented and they it's like it's eerie how much history repeating itself? But But the interesting thing is, so they were very much against masking because that was something that towards the end of the Spanish flu, they were realizing that was would help, you know, t to keep the spread of germs down masking, would these people were very much against it. San Francisco ended up with one of the highest death rates in the country.

Graham

And perhaps we see this whole thing happening again because I think one of our biggest problem is the fact that we don't keep up with history. Do we?

Jocelyn

No. Especially. And I mean, obviously I can't speak to other but countries, but I don't think American history is I think American history classes are pretty lacking. So I mean, you know, if this was far enough away that you can really talk to somebody, that lived in the Spanish flu. Like nobody has a grand parent to... they could say, Oh, you know, I lived through and I remembered it.  like my my grandparents on my mom's side and my father's side were definitely old enough, you know? But I started going to result to talk to him about it, you know, like,

Graham

yeah, the and the crazy thing is that again, going back on how things how history is repeating itself is that there was a concerted that effort back in 1918 to to sort of not talk about the Spanish flu, right? Like because World War I was more important and you couldn't talk about a pandemic when you were fighting a war. Because that wouldn't be good for morale. Right? And it is. So what ended up happening? Is that freaking half the world die more of the goddamn pandemic than the war in itself, right? Nothing. The same thing is happening here, except that you know, a lot of other countries wised up and said, you know, we're gonna take measures and we're gonna do our thing, and then there were able to stop it. But then now I think we'll reach a 1,000,000 by next week in the United States.

Jocelyn

Yeah. Yeah, and the testing isn't you know, like you said, the idea of getting information out there. I mean, that's tantamount is getting testing and get everybody s. So you know who has it and who doesn't have it. And that's just not happening. And then you have countries like China where you can't trust the numbers, but at all, as I could, just didn't either. Who either Who are the CDC removed China's numbers because they said there so unreliable. There's not a count them it all?

Graham

Yes, they're not taking any information because both in China and in in Russia, you having a catastrophic number of pneumonia reported. Yeah. Yes. So that's what we're gonna go with. Ah, it's amazing. But yeah, like in the United States, 326 million people, more or less. And we've only had what four million people tested. Yeah, so, yeah, sure way. We're nearing a 1,000,000 people with the disease, but that's based on what we have tested s So what's the real number? Who knows, right?

Jocelyn

Yeah, And then you have the scary thing too where it's, you know, the states in the country, and everything wants to open back up. But you have the scary thing of of young people who've had this or suddenly having more strokes and they don't know why. There's no guarantee that the people who have had it arm you, they haven't been able to prove that yet The people who have already had it have developed an immunity for it. From what I understand from the WHO and from the CDC, they have not been able to definitively prove that having this means fewer.

Graham

It was more people that have a had it getting a second round of it. So

Jocelyn

yeah, and I said, I mean,

Graham

it's impossible to know whether it's a different strain or whether it's the same goddamn thing. So it's It's so. But you know what? Forget about this. Will tell me, How have you been?

Jocelyn

Let's see... I haven't drunk any bleach. Haven't drank any fabuloso. So I have plenty of Tide Pods, but I'm not tempted to eat that E. I'm doing well, I think.

Graham

But, can I tell you something about fabuloso, though, is that they have to stop putting such enticing colors. Oh, God. Many lists of

Jocelyn

looks delicious!

Graham

 yes, I was tempted after he said that shit, I know it's wrong, but I'm tempted, you know? Never. And I think those something would type up and is that they're pretty. So one thing I know you've been doing is a lot of reading. What, what you've been reading, lately.

Jocelyn

Let's see. Should I should prepare a list better whenever Bad God so uh... There's an author I really like. Your name is, um, Lauren Graph and I first read a book of hers. It's probably 20 years ago, now called The Monsters of Templeton, and it was her first book, and I was blown away by this novel. So I have gotten behind with her. I I like to get I kind of like grab ahold of an author and we'll read everything that they've written so that I'm with her. So I just got I've gotten caught up to her most recent book. I believe it's the most recent book called Florida, which is very interesting. It's a bunch of essays about out Floridians and being a woman in this world and the current climate, if you will of this world. And, uh,

Graham

is she the one who, by the way, started the hashtag because Florida,

Jocelyn

I don't know it's possible

Graham

something something something #becauseFlorida,

Jocelyn

Florida, Florida man. Hey,

Graham

that's you. I can tell you that I've not been reading it like because you're, um I'm one week here and one week at work, because that's, you know, because pandemic right? But, I've been telling you how much work I've been doing around like. I'm surprised at how voluntarily I do these things. I'm gonna notice stuff, man U

Jocelyn

The last pictures I saw, everything looks great in the backyard, so,

Graham

yeah, It's coming along pretty well.

Jocelyn

That's the weather has been so beautiful. It's like the prettiest spring I've ever seen here.

Graham

Isn't it though? Maybe somebody's really having fun with this.  You can't go out and enjoy it, but it's gonna be pretty!  crazy Crazy. But I've been also watching obviously a lot of I've been doing quite a bit of streaming. So what I have been watching. I've got me to All of these British game shows how for you like I mean game. So after games are like what's like 18 seasons of different game shows? And one of my favorites is: "Insert Name Here."

Jocelyn

I haven't I watch

Graham

It is also it's really great. So that's does being a new thing for me watching anything new

Jocelyn

um, What did I watch most recently thinking.

Graham

I'm watching. I started watching binge watching Lucifer.

Jocelyn

Yes. What do you think of Lucifer? 

Graham

Lucifer is dope!I like I like everything about it, and I think we'll probably will have to do a show about Lucifer.

Jocelyn

It's It's a it's It's good. It really is. Your surprisingly good, I think, is the way to describe it. I really t don't be stupid. And I only started watching it as something to laugh at. And but

Graham

then I The craziest thing for me is all of the philosophical connotations, both into in theological sense that no one probably never thought about from that perspective and also from a Freudian perspective. You know, I like you know, the idea that there's a mother, you know that all of these Oedipus, yeah, kind of theories floating out there it is. Absolutely. It's a deeper and more profound show then I expected it to be, and I'm really pleasantly surprised. Why didn't you tell me about the show before? Just

Jocelyn

Yeah, totally silent about you, Paul dio.

Graham

Yeah, but you it's been doped like, uh, I can't get enough of it. And I'm glad that Netflix picked up.

Jocelyn

I've been like re-watching. Things like things have already watched as I think it's a comfort level, things like, Oh, I remember watching this and it made me feel good. So I'm gonna watch it. And I've been watching, like, really short saying so, Yeah, but okay, next week, you know

Graham

what? I seriously, you right, though that's that's what I've been doing to, like, the other night, I ended up watching three movies, and next thing I knew it was 5 a.m.  Movies that I've seen right? If you right? Yeah, there's gotta be something about this. Reminds me of the time

Jocelyn

right? Things were normal then, or I was happy that what

Graham

you have, you find yourself re watching.

Jocelyn

We'll see what I re-watched. I re-watched the rocketeer just like an old Disney movie that some limits on Disney Plus, it's like a it's from the nineties. I was wasn't and a crush on the main character at the Times Way. Oh, let's see what it also have been watching. It's mostly movies. It's been like a rewatch part of well, and this isn't a movie but a rewatched part is The Mandalorian. Oh, plus s. Oh, I don't know, just one of those things.  

Graham

This is a good time for Jocelyn to actually catch up with the rest of the world by watching what angle and say anything. I'm not saying it. I'm just

Jocelyn

Mrs. Maisel, The Crown. Yes, I'm just, you know. Oh,

Graham

yeah. So the other night, I watched. "Now You see me 2" I mean, it was like Yes. Oh, there's one time, you know, is this what's another crappy movie on? And then I went to watch Creed 2,  it was like the number two movies of every franchise for me that night in after I was like, You know what? Let me go ahead and watch "A Few Good Men" because he and I realized actually that although I knew a lot about a few good men, what it was about and who was in it and everything, I don't remember ever watching the movie completely.

Jocelyn

Ah, yes.

Graham

But you know, I am happy to see you. I I underestimated the length of time that we would not be in studio together. And yeah, I just you know, I was thinking this week And when you posted the thing about the hair stuff and I'm like I haven't seen Jocelyn in a long time. E Yeah, you would hear. Yeah. So, uh, I'm like, STIs time. We have to have the camera. Yeah, and see each other in? No. Do I know we're talking, you know, text on a daily basis and doing the podcast will talk on the weekly basis, but bloody hell, I miss you.

Jocelyn

I miss you, too. When this is all over. We're gonna have to have ah, come toe come to Jocelyn. Come to Graham.

Graham

Hopefully, I mean, Well, if you can keep things under 10 we'll, you definitely have to have a Have something to drink and have some burgers. And yes. Good stuff. Yes. Wonderful. And, uh, that's probably the hope that will help us get through this whole thing, because I like like we said before, we're not gonna go back to normal way. Definitely ready to resume life as it were. Yeah. I'm

Jocelyn

ready to see the people we care about. I'm ready to see the people I care about.

Graham

Studios will be here, then one day we'll be here. Yes.

Jocelyn

We shall meet again way

Graham

sudden it again. It was good to see you. Good to have a chat. Yes. Just get me okay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This'll is kicking and screaming Podcast of Binge Watcher's Guide to Streaming Movies. TV series on stuff. Here are your hosts, Graham and Jocelyn  

Graham

Couch. Dad's is with us today, so let's just go ahead and get on started. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode off kicking and screaming. My name is Graham and of course with me is my favorite co-host. Her name is JoJo.  

Jocelyn

Howdy.  

Graham

And it is a special day because we don't normally, even though we don't normally have, would frequently have guests. But what? We have guests. We have very special guests in today. I am proud to have on the other side, my friend, whom I met on during Podfest. We have Jorge de Moya with us today. Hello, George.

Couch Dad

Hello, everybody. It's a pleasure to be here, really looking forward to talking to you guys about a few things that we're streaming as one of the couch Dad's Yes. Oh, I come to you from the couch, Dad's pod cast and I'm really excited to be a part of the kicking'and streamin' and team.

Jocelyn

Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you very much for that, mate. And, uh so let's let's go over you bio a little bit because you are an interesting dude, which is which is fantastic. So you are currently a marketing director and social media content manager for Flintstone Media, and you are associated with the Florida podcasting network. That's that's a hell of a title. The social media content manager and marketing director. So describe what that work entails.  

Couch Dad

Yeah,absolutely so with Flintstone Media. We are in charge of the Florida podcasting network that has over five podcast that are based it within Florida. But we also have clients. Aside from that and what we do influence So media is that we're a full podcasting. Suite. So we take a podcast idea from its nuts and bolts, and we build it up. And then we work its way up all the way to branding, to marketing sponsorship and creating social media content that would help supplement the podcast. So Facebook lives live events, video production, behind it, video events, audio grams, you name it we create it. We have a team of editors myself, Jimmy, who is a phenomenal, phenomenal person. She is the creator and owner of Flintstone Media and the Florida Podcasting Network and you know she's created networks like Horse Radio Network with Glenn and is also creating the wedding business at work with Andy up in New York. So she just is a phenomenal person to work with. And those were the kind of things that we do is that I'm a part of as the marketing director. So I'm in charge of marketing all the different podcasts that are under those labels, as well as new clients, bringing them in and finding their niche markets.

Graham

Wow, that I tell you, too, that I don't know about Jocelyn, but I never knew that there was actually so much that much work involved in podcasting and like I mean, I've seen podcasting networks all over the place, but I didn't know that that's part of the job and that it until so much. What do you think, Jojo?

Jocelyn

Yeah, I I was not aware that and kind of feel like a this point that it's There were traffic. I should go out and walk into the middle of the street.  

Couch Dad

but luckily there was traffic, so that leaves you. And to be clear sometimes, Ah, lot of the clients that we get our people that have a brand already. And they're just they wanna use a podcast to supplement that brand too. So, you know, we help a lot of brands kind of delve into the new podcasting world. So folks like yourselves and myself with couch dads were kind of just doing it on our own without any kind of help. We're branding everything ourselves, and we're doing it because we love it.

Graham

Yes, so, you

Couch Dad

know, that's that's also a part of it.

Graham

Yeah. I mean, if I if I I don't know if I were a lawyer or something like that, I would wanna have a podcast, but probably to talk about, you know, stupid crimes and stuff like that. But, you know, brands are really getting into into podcasting. I was in my car today in Listening on NPR and they said something about one of the supermarket chains has a podcast like I'm curious. Well, who's Aldi? Is it Aldi, Jocelyn?

Couch Dad

I know. But I do know that Trader Joe's has  

Graham

Trader Joe's. That's exactly yes, yes.  

Jocelyn

That's Who is gonna be my just my choice without knowing I was like, of all of them, I feel like it would be a greater Joe's, but just

Couch Dad

as a podcast that my wife listens to because she'll get her her tips and recipes from there.

Graham

Oh, that was gonna be my question, though. Like what? What? What? What? What? What do they talk about? That he took of a price that they took about why it is. But there's a recipe that he count me, and I'm gonna start listening to it.

Couch Dad

Recipe, Use new products. You know, if something's coming in that seasonal, you know, bring that in like a pumpkin bisque soup that they put out right around fall and automatically. You know, my wife was like, I am buying this. So she waited for the launch date, and then she went over to Trader Joe's and Got, and it was delicious.

Graham

Oh, yeah. Amen. Hey, kudos to your wife mate e

Couch Dad

have couched as podcast. But let's be honest, she runs the house.

Graham

Yeah, that's all we have left is doing the podcasting, man because they and so continue what? You bio man, you also. You have a background in video production and entertainment business. You graduate of. You went to college right there. Where you live in Florida?

Couch Dad

I went to full sail University up in Orlando, Florida on I got my bachelor's in film production. I did my masters and entertainment business. You and I have, ah, you know, a small video production company now that I created a couple years ago called 90 Miles Media, where we focus on creating social media content for brands, nonprofits, PSAs, You know, things like that or cover events. And I've worked in film production for 15 plus years. I've done are on array of projects. You know, I would. I would like to say that I am a blue collar film production guy because I've worked on projects that never saw the light of day projects that, uh, ended up on the Oprah Winfrey Now work on the own network on Hulu. You know, and we've worked too low budget. We've worked high, you know, big budget, like Michael Bay commercials in Miami. So I've done a little bit of everything, which and I never left to l. A. Because I have too much ties to being a family man. I'm an avid dad of three. I love my wife and I. That was What was important to me was never about moving to L. A. But I love doing video production, working on film sets, so I just I never got the itch, you know, to leave to the West Coast. I just stayed here and focused on family. And I am did what I loved. Aside from that, no, there next to that.

Graham

The important thing is to be doing what you love, regardless of where you are. I mean, you know, not everybody has that kind of fortune, isn't it? Isn't it?  

Couch Dad

Oh, no, absolutely. I mean, it's just I had somebody friends. When we 1st 1 finished graduating, the a bunch of them went to L. A. Many of them returned. Some ended up doing something slightly different, and some ended up doing very well for themselves and ended up doing music videos, directing music videos for bad bunny, you know? So I mean

Couch Dad

There's variation of people that I went to school with and what they're doing now. So,

Graham

you know, I suppose the major question is, are they as happy and fulfilled as you may be? Right?

Couch Dad

I I've kept in contact with a bunch of them, and I would say Absolutely, you know, whatever it is that they video production overall, there's so many degrees of it. It's not just Hollywood. It's not just big budget movies, you know, there's so many ways you can take it. A buddy of mine became a famous photographer for bars and for bartending drinks, and, you know, he gets featured in bartending magazines, you know, so you never know what life will take. You bored life will take you after college. College is just the first star.

Graham

So that's the guy that makes those mixologists look so glamorous when they're doing the colors. Yes, it makes you wanna feel like, yeah, I wanna work behind the bar and you forget about how stressful in Overworked is that job by what you see them in magazines like that mixing and they always look like you know what does is nice beard like the straight off 19 twenties gentleman Cigar magazine like it's an amazing thing. So if your friend is the one in charge of doing that good,

Couch Dad

he's good, is definitely is. He is good and so is the body of mine is directed Bad bunny music videos. He's He's easily one of the best music video directors today. Yeah, I mean so.

Graham

Bad more bad bunnies really, really well produced, man. I can watch those every day, and I'm not a Reggaeton music video kind of guy, But bad burning stuff are are worth watching. To tell you the truth, I'm all right. Jocelyn,  Jocelyn, Jocelyn  knows about her Bad Bunny, right?  

Jocelyn

Of course!

Graham

So, George, don't you you'll podcast is what fascinates me the most in the reason being is because of how you have combined all of what we would talked about already. Your background, your studies, you're all of what you've produced and done in your life. And you incorporate that also in the fact that you are a father and a husband who loves sports, especially hockey. I got a guy from Florida loving hockey is is the thing that we have to talk about. You know, if we were gone from Maryland like Jocelyn, I would have no questions about that, right, But from Florida, many questions

Couch Dad

Well, I think that's what I love about podcasting is because I tend to be a different. I tend to be an onion. I um, composed of many layers. So, yes, I am a sports guy and a hockey guy born and raised in Miami. But when it came to hockey, for whatever reason, it was the one sport where a little guy like me, cause I'm not exactly the biggest, could strap on some skates and knocked the heck out of somebody you without it having to be football. And I had I had a little bit more speed because I had skates on. And, you know, I just I enjoyed that from the get go. And I started playing when I was, like, 10. I was saying, I got really good and I played in college. I played in high school on Guy. Still play today and in an adult beer league that hopefully we get back soon.  

Graham

Love adult beer leagues.

Couch Dad

Yeah. No, it's great. The championship is a trophy is a huge keg, So I mean,

Graham

that is true. It is that

Jocelyn

I wish I could skate!

Graham

I mean, come on, Jocelyn what

Couch Dad

we're gonna have to teach you.

Graham

I don't skate, and I've never even tried because I mean, yeah, I'm dude from the Caribbean, and I value my butt too. much, and I know No, I'm gonna be on my ass the first moment I step on the rink. So no, I've never tried, not know interested.

Couch Dad

You're mentioning the podcast. So, you know, I have the couch that his podcast that's doing to be launched right now. I'm doing a bunch of binge recordings since we have this quarantine time. So that way, when I do launch, I'll be launching about five episodes all at once.

Graham

Okay, So are you. Are you going to do something serial or you're gonna do a You just want to launch with as many episodes as possible, and then you will continue in the like

Couch Dad

way. Yeah, that was the goal. Wanted to launch with as many as possible and haven't been like a binge watch. And then I would start a week Weekly podcast? Yeah, the big binge recording I just thought would be a fun thing to do since we had a lot of the down time right now, with everybody, for the most part, staying inside. And, you know, I just thought it was a good launching idea to launch with not just one episode, but I launched with five so hopefully that'll be done next month. We're so it's coming up. Okay,

Graham

so we'll be waiting for the lunch. Lunching data. Do you have one? At the moment, you do have a new idea, more or less when those five episodes, because we are going to promote the heck out of them with you.

Couch Dad

Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't have a lunch date set, but I do have it set for April. I mean, so it'll be the first couple weeks in April, so I'm pretty close to where the end. I'm recording like one or two more episodes. I already have three or full or in the can. And so once I get a couple more, I'll be, uh, I'll definitely be launching a bulk of those episodes, and it's a fun. It's been fun. It's been a lot of fun recording because we get to talk about Dad life, me being a dad of three, and we get to talk about different things that were dreaming online and how Dad's really don't get to chance to go to the movies. Shot that, and we highlight what we finally get to watch when the kids go to sleep. There's so many times that I'm watching something and I pause as because somebody comes out because they need a glass of water, you know, right in the middle of a really bad scene. So I end up turning off the TV completely.

Graham

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember those days, man. I've got going to I'm right at the end off my off My journey won't know at the end but off my journey as a as a young young kids, Dad. But I do remember those times when you know sometimes you watching something and it doesn't even look like it's gonna go there. And the kid is in the room with you and all of a sudden bands, things starting like, let me pause this. Hey, man, you want to go to your room and playing for

Couch Dad

exactly? Yeah, you know, it's just like all right, How many times did me and my wife not pause game of Thrones when we're trying to watch it come out for something like, Please, just just goody goody room. It's getting good,

Graham

that's that's That's the life it will be. It would be definitely a an interesting podcast to listen to because you've got all of those stories that we can all relate to as as as dads. And, uh, Jocelyn has two nieces that, um when they get together, I know that, you know, it's just, you know, you the fun aunt or no?

Jocelyn

I am the funny. Yes, definitely. Yes. I'm I'm Aunt Jo Jo. So I have to be fun.

Graham

Yeah. Yeah. So what we want? What do you guys do when you get together? Do they have their agenda for you or,

Jocelyn

um, it honestly, it depends. They have very particular ideas about what they like to watch. So the way I've discovered to to start something that isn't going to drive me insane like my little pony, for instance, um, is to is to start ah, something that I that I've seen in the past. Like I got I got them to watch Megamind. But just by starting it, like while I was doing something else and they were all like,

Jocelyn

Ah, what is this? Can you start this from the beginning?

Jocelyn

I'm like, Yeah, I started from the beginning. So you're kind of not, like, Not like in the sense of oh, God, if I see another Hello? You know, little pony thing. I'm gonna, you know, barf. Which is how I actually feel. But in this, let me just start something different and see if it catches their attention on something that I know I can watch without, you know, dying.  

Graham

So George have have yours. Discovered the cartoons that you grew up with so far, like

Couch Dad

Oh, yeah. So, you know, with with the ability to stream so much now, it's been a lot of fun for us because we make sure that we introduce a few new things every so often Because if we watch Moana, or Frozen one more time, I mean, that's it. It's over. Let it go. I'm gonna go into the unknown on I'm gonna go out into the water. Whatever it is, I'm gonna be gone.

Graham

Can you think? Can you sing the song in your sleep? Now

Couch Dad

it's bad. Man is bad when you wake up And the song from last night is in your head And it's one of those songs

Jocelyn

I had Mickey Mouse clubhouse in my head for a really long time.  

Couch Dad

Yeah, exactly. Doesn't go away.  

Jocelyn

Still hop out every so often you can be like Hot Dog, Huh?

Couch Dad

Pops it every so often, but no, we we try sometimes. But the kid content is everywhere and they're getting older. So then they start to like newer things also, So you end up with something different every almost every year. They never stick with one thing. Every year there's something new that they get attached to. You know, My daughter went through the my little pony phase, and then it was onto Frozen and Moana. And then it was onto the descendents, which is on on Disney. So there's a lot of there's a lot of music involves in my household. There's a lot of dancing

Graham

The dancing,  the dancing, man

Couch Dad

I two out of three kids, two of them are girls. So it's like That's just stay just not stopped with dance numbers.

Graham

So how frequently do you find yourself at a tea party with two girls? It's

Couch Dad

quite a quite a few. I have to be honest, but luckily the tea parties have been less and it's more of a dance parties where I am being Oh yeah, so I'm being yelled at to put on YouTube and to put on like, different music videos. So I happen to be careful which music video put on. Yeah, because they like a particular song. And you know, it's cardi B or whatever. Oh, my, I'm not putting not putting the music video. Yes, yes. So I've found a few kid channels, kid YouTube channels where they will play the Kidz Bop version of already Be and it's kids dancing to it. And I'm like, perfect eyes. There's no way I'm introducing my daughters to cardi B and you know Missy Elliott music right now. Oh, my

Graham

God, Yeah, it's It's an amazing thing, because you are. You want them to be entertained. You want them to. You don't want to restrict them completely from from the entertainment at the same time. It's like a little bit of a walk on the neck on eggshells. Oh,

Couch Dad

absolutely. You're walking on eggshells constantly with this because there's so much content out there. I mean, just as an example, we took away YouTube from all of our devices because YouTube recently had, and this is not recently while back had an issue where they were putting out some content that It was like an adult or kids playing with certain dolls and certain toys. And they would love these kids, love watching it, and then a minute goes by. And then all of a sudden, the violence factor. The sex factor grew in the video itself on. You know, Anna is drowning Elsa in the video. What, are you kidding? It's so weak. We read up on it. We got involved. We canceled the YouTube from everywhere every device. We completely exit out and went with a kid more of a kid friendly device that they could use. But I mean, that's that was going on for a long time until you to fire only cracked down on it. And if you were, if you find those channels and you can report them and they get fined and they get completely blocked from ever putting up anything ever again,

Graham

well, that's that's incredibly bad that that someone would would just decide to put that kind of content to lure kids into watching things that they innocently go into thinking that it it's what you know, some of their favorite cartoons and then just just create all these violent scenes and

Couch Dad

Oh, yeah, Absolutely. And I'm I've very involved in that because I come from that kind of background in the entertainment industry. Some was a Web, Ah, lot of things and what they were watching. So I like to share that story because not a lot of us are aware that that is actually out there.

Graham

Yeah, I didn't know about these air told. And I have a six almost seven year old granddaughter in the Dominican Republic  who also has a lot of access to to YouTube. And I have sometimes to kind of tell my daughter Hey man, every now and then go ahead and look, you know, look at what she does, what she's watching, you know, because yeah is the Yeah, the content might look innocent enough, but at the end of the day, it's still needs supervision, doesn't it?

Couch Dad

Oh, absolutely. And when the kids have the headphones on, think about it. You can't hear the content, it looks innocent. And but what are they talking about? You know, what are they saying? So it's like you said, it's a fine line. There's a line there you gotta be careful with.

Graham

Yeah, so we have basically a window into couchdad's podcasts as to as to what we can expect looking forward to it. And like I said, we are going to do our best to to to help you in promoting and and putting it out there and, uh, is all hope that it wouldn't be embraced by our binge watchers. They're

Couch Dad

absolutely Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Graham

So go moving on into you your background in video production in all of that, we've got a couple of questions that we would like to ask Jocelyn Jocelyn has it right. Johnson, Just Hey, Jocelyn has some very interesting questions that I personally could have never come up with. So we didn't want to get you by surprising or anything about No, no,

Couch Dad

no, Please shoot. I'm ready when you are.

Graham

So Jocelyn...

Jocelyn

Well, um, s o I just do somethings together, but in thinking about in hair and makeup, you know, if you're looking at a star looking normal, you know, like just a regular joe on the street, and you know they're not using prosthetics or anything like that. How long it is that kind of thing. Take and do stars ever do their own, Or is it always a hair and makeup person that does that?

Couch Dad

Okay, well, usually you have a hair and makeup person do that, and that will always take just for a basic look like your base. I'm going out and I want to look good on camera. It would take about an hour, No prosthetics or no, nothing crazy like that. But it also depends on the skin tone. So and I bring that up because we had a show that was on the Oprah Winfrey Network and our hand makeup person we would have won for her for hair and makeup on one first as the stylist. Now it was a reality show that was hosted by two people, and one was a former NFL football star who was a wide receiver for the Green Bay Packers, and the other was an actress that was a tiny little white redhead. And you put those two next to each other, and it was like pole polar opposites and the football star. He was extremely dark. He was, you know, just he and he even said it. He goes, Listen, I am darker than you think on camera. I've been on camera before, I know. But so he actually brought his own makeup kit because of certain finishes and certain foundations that he learned after being on a few TV appearances. And he was actually on dancing with the stars back in the day. So he learned, you know, going along. So he brought that with him and then give it to our hair and makeup person and was like, Listen, these are the ones that are gonna work best for me.

Graham

I wonder how many trial and errors went there before this guy finally realized

Graham

I have to amount?  

Couch Dad

Think I'm not sure, But let me tell you, I had the way he tells it his because it was like constantly being offsides and having to go back to the line every single time. So he was just like I had to do something. He goes. I had to do something. I knew where my career was going. I knew that when I was done with football that I was gonna do stuff like this for a little bit. But he knew that he needed help when it came to that, and he went out and he got it. But let me tell you, is adamant about making sure that we used what he brought.

Graham

Yeah. You know, you don't want to end up looking like Sammy Sosa up in there. Exactly.

Couch Dad

You don't want that. So, you know, for a base. Look, about an hour, depending on the skin tone,

Jocelyn

is it? Would it be normal? Like for somebody to bring their own stuff with him? Cause I know you used him as an example. Is that typical? It works with their skin, are. And

Couch Dad

and though the it's a collaboration, every little thing on a TV show on a movie set is a collaboration. So then the hair and the makeup person would probably also say, Okay, I see what you brought. I'm gonna try this out for a little bit of a highlight or a little bit of a shadow, you know, because, uh, I want to have a certain look to know. The director is probably going to say, Listen, you know, I need this person to look like X y and Z, right? You know? So I mean, there is that involved when it's a reality show? Sometimes you'll have people just put on their own makeup and they'll say, Go and then. But you'll have somebody there touching up every so often. So, uh, it all depends on you know what we're filming?

Graham

Yeah. So Jocelyn Has it ever taken you an hour to two yet? Hair and makeup done?

Jocelyn

for myself.  

Graham

Yeah

Jocelyn

No,  I don't know if I've ever taken  an hour to do anything.  

Graham

It takes me 10 minutes to get a shower. You think? Get hair and makeup.  

Jocelyn

Oh, dear eso. Another question I had is Do all the projects that you work on have something like a do not disclose. And if they dio, does everybody have to sign that, you know, thinking of like how spoilers and everything are so prevalent and interviews in the news and that kind of thing, you know, just does everybody have to be involved in the not disclosing of a plot, depending on the project, or is it just the main stars or how does that work?

Couch Dad

Well, it works were, for the most part, on a film project or anything, and nd a is done, which is, you know, do not disclose any kind of information and for the most part, everybody has to sign them. If you show up on set and you are the driver of the extras, you're signing a non disclosure. So you know, everybody really does sign them. But there's so many people on a big movie set that all you really have to do is text your buddy who's not on set. You tell them something and being let go ahead and disclose it. But you didn't hear from me, you know, and that's it. And you're like, Oh, did you say anything? No, No, I didn't say anything, But there's been a few situations where, you know, we weren't allowed to post anything. We weren't allowed to talk about anything. And we're had to actually turn in our phones because

Couch Dad

one of the projects was a, you know, a specialty project for Lego. And they were putting out this new NASA inspired Lego piece, and that was the product that we're shooting on. So we actually had to turn in our phones on the film set and only stick to walkie talkies. Um, because they were like, you can't. This is a product that hasn't been released yet. It hasn't been featured. It's you know gonna be featured in this commercial, and it's a specific Lego piece, and they were super strict about it. You couldn't have your phone with you. You couldn't take pictures. You couldn't do anything. So it all depends also on the project, somewhere more close knit than others. And you just kind of have toe hope that your spoilers don't get out there. But it's easier for spoilers to get out when it's a bigger project.

Jocelyn

Yeah, that makes sense.  

Couch Dad

You know, small projects, not it's it's easier to contain,  

Jocelyn

I was gonna say to you with smaller projects to is they're probably more repercussions in the sense of Oh, I know that this person has had to be the one that release this information and that would have the repercussion of them probably not being hired for the next job.

Couch Dad

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Once a, uh, once you get canned from a particular job, that producer or whoever did the hiring, especially if you're talking local and local, we tend to work with a lot of the same people. And you know, once you do something on one project that doesn't go well and you don't try to atone for it or try to make up for it, for whatever the case may be, because mistakes do happen, you know. But if you do something intentionally to hurt the project than its, you know it can get from one producer to the next. And next thing you know, you're not working anywhere locally for a while.

Graham

Yeah, it's kind of

Graham

a small niece to a small world, even though there might be, you know, a 1,000,000 people involved in it. But at the end of the day, it's a small network, and everybody knows everybody. But I guess in following up with the NDA's and all of that, I guess my question was, given the fact that most of these bigger, bigger projects are are filmed non-continues or sort of like outside of the order that it will be edited. Does that give the producers and advantage in nor having spoilers out there? Like if they go and filmed, I don't know the end scene right at the beginning of the project, and then they pick it up from the middle and and all of that does that still present the same problem with disclosures and stuff.

Couch Dad

Well, the it's not necessarily a problem in that case, when you're when you're shooting or you're filming out of order. The only reason why you should do your film out of order. It depends on the production coordinator, which is something I've done ah, bunch of times before based on scheduling. And it's all about who you got, which actors you have on set for how many days, how long their contract is. And you just go off of that and you just you tear that script apart into many pieces and you shoot on film whatever you can when you can, and then you hope that theater can put it all together at the end S O. If you have a big name actor and he's only available for three days and you have to shoot, you know 60 pages of that main actor and you're a low budget film, let's say you're gonna shoot everything that he's in in those three A's. If he's in the beginning, the end and in the middle, then you're shooting all three of those sections for those three days, and that's it. And then you send him home, and then you'll figure out the rest as you go along. It gets ah, gets a little crazy in that sense. You know,

Graham

I can only imagine I don't know that I have the the the attention span for that he  

Couch Dad

the the script supervisors, which are the one of the main people that's in charge of making sure that everything is in order in terms of that and their continuity of it. They are easily the most detailed people you'll ever meet on sets at home. There an absolute mess at home makes sense. It's all chaos. But on set, their super detailed, super detail oriented making sure every little piece is perfect. If an actor set a line a particular way in one take, they make sure they say it the same way and another take if they use a different word, you know, I mean, you name it.

Graham

Yeah, that sounds like a gig for Jocelyn. I mean, in your television background Jocelyn Didn't you do a bit off that to like, sort of like making sure that when you take a look at the at the stage and then one shot happened in the next time it has to be re taken. Everything had to be right there were left. Right?

Jocelyn

Continuity? Yeah,

Couch Dad

it's huge

Graham

again. I couldn't do that to save my life. Um uh, What was the next question? Jocelyn because this is getting interesting, Man

Jocelyn

I think this kind of tired is into into What you were just talking about is how much ad libbing is actually done by any of the actors and how much of it actually makes it into the finished project. Does it depended solely on the director and the producer, or is that more of a editorial decision? How does that go?

Couch Dad

Well, it's it's all of the above, Really. It's an editorial decision. It's a depends on the director, and the producer depends on the actor, and it depends on which take was the best. So there's, uh, if you look up on YouTube that I know if you guys are familiar with Mojo, it's ah, popular YouTube channel that is like a movie clips and stuff. Yes, they have one that is, you know, the best ad libbed scenes that actually made it into the movie. It's really interesting to watch and and it all depends on the director, and it all depends on how the scene is going. For instance, um, one of my favorite directors is Kevin Smith, and he jokes. I met him a couple times in Orlando, and he would joke about how he has so much dialogue in his movies that when the actors would try toe do you no ad Libs, he'd tell, like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon be like, Will you stop fucking around and just say it like it is 

Jocelyn

Just say the line like I wrote it. For fuck's sake!

Couch Dad

It's just too much dialogue, you know!. And it's really funny because he's talking about, you know, from the days of Dogma, when Matt Damon and Ben Affleck word, you know, not huge stars are rising. They weren't huge. And then and then you have a director like Quentin Tarantino who loves it when he just the actors ad lib. And there is a great great scene from Django Unchained. When Leonardo DiCaprio is having his big scene and he smashes his hand on the table, he actually cut his hand. That was not scripted. That was real. He hit the glass by accident and cut his hand, so he was actually bleeding during that take. And he kept going where? Before it got wrapped up, he did actually wipe his own blood.

Graham

Oh, my goodness

Couch Dad

On, uh, I can't remember her name. She's a phenomenal, phenomenal actress that she was also in and I'm losing her name, but she actually wiped his blood on her face In that scene,

Graham

Huh.. look at that!

Couch Dad

and I mean, and that's just because you're talking about Quin Tarantino. You're talking about Leonardo DiCaprio role and you're talking about just two of the best that we've seen, you know, that we've ever seen in the game. And he, you know, he kept going. Quentin Tarantino did not cut. He ended up with, like, 15 stitches in his hand after that, you know, it really all depends on the ad libbing. It depends on the situation and and all of that

Graham

That's fantastic, man, What you got Jocelyn?

Graham

this one was kind of tied into because you'd mentioned when we kind of had before show chat about the Togo movie, which is which is phenomenal. I was curious if you had any idea if you'd worked with If you work to the animals before and if there are a lot of of actors or even crew that attempt to. Adopt some of the animals or buy some of the animals. I know a lot of them are working animals, of course, and would be well out of the range of, say, any normal person's salary. But or if there's ever been somebody that absolutely hated the animal that I had to work with or work, perhaps allergic to it, right?  

Graham

That's a good question.  

Couch Dad

That's a very good question I have never encountered in my experience, somebody that's like, Hated the animal that they're working with her are allergic to him. I would like to hope that a producer would figure that out beforehand, you know, making sure Like, uh, you know, making sure that, uh, you know, Macaulay Culkin wasn't, you know, actually allergic to the bees and my girl 2 

Couch Dad

Oh, you know, I would have had one of the best kid stars of our time. I have never had an actor wanting to adopt or anything like that, either, because the animals that people work with on sets, they're all trained and extremely well trained and a lot of them are actually the same animals in different properties, so the TV show. Friends had a monkey on it

Graham

Yeah, Marcel, Marcel was my Boy. Man,

Couch Dad

that is the same monkey. The exact same monkey. That was an outbreak.

Graham

Oh, really? Yeah. You remember that Jo?

Couch Dad

Um, you know, they use a lot of the same trained animals, so that's not even a tighter network. I have had to deal with live animals, which was interesting where we were filming in the Everglades. And we needed to get a scene where a Russian mob boss was getting his arm bitten off by a gator.

Couch Dad

So we did not have a trained Gator, nor a trained  Gator handler boys. So we had the guy's arm cut off, and then the fake prosthetic was in, dropped into the pit of a gator's mouth. So we had more the gator to a certain spot. We had one camera on the gator, and then we had one camera on the actors theat actors perform the scene and we, you know, used to cameras to cut in between it.

Graham

I would have loved to be their duty.  

Couch Dad

Oh, in situations like that, and we're talking low budget, you know, I'm the one luring the gator and nobody else is allowed around.

Graham

I'm gonna tell you something if I If I If I world

Couch Dad

I have a rope around my waist, just engaged. The gator gets too close to the Yank Me off scream. That's about it. I swear was making it up. What if I'll make it up? I'm not. I wish I was.  

Graham

What's your life, insurance man? Oh, my God.  

Jocelyn

I don't think you mentioned that when you're buying the policy. Your angle Gators? No, Absolutely. No.

Couch Dad

Let's just say, uh I mean, I looked like I should belong at the gator part marked their bagel no beard and vast and khaki shorts that looked like from Crocodile Dundee or

Graham

something. That was good. Thio The guy was You could believe him. Absolutely. So we've got more questions. Your d'oh,

Jocelyn

Huh? Well, I guess this kind of flows into the er the gator baiting. How often do you use do small accidents happen on set? And I guess that kind of ties into what? The story you mentioned about Django unchained You know how how regularly does that happen? Is that an everyday occurrence, or is it a rare sing? Or  

Couch Dad

it's not so much of run everyday occurrence. But let me tell you one of the things that I did when I first starting off is that I would bring a first aid kit with me always. And it was a good first aid kit. Wasn't like one that you buy at the CVS pharmacy or anything. It had a little bit of everything because small accidents happen all the time. You're working with squibs, which are, you know, fake bullets and stuff. And sometimes you get you get hit with one and you end up with a bad bruise or, you know, a stunt goes wrong and there's small accidents that happen in an even on a film set that's like a romantic comedy. Somebody trips going up the stairs Well, you know, and then and they hurt their knee. Or you were an actor or you're an actress and you're under the lights a lot, and you have all these lights around you and they're beaming. And, uh, you're in a nightclub and the lights are going crazy on, you know, Next thing you know, you got a migraine and you just can't kick it, you know? So I would make sure the have stuff that could help when I was first starting out. When it comes to that, because small accidents injuries, you get sick. You know you need to get heartburn, you name it. It's like everyday life. You're there are on a film set 12 to 14 hours a day. You know, you're their majority of your time. You have to have everything at your disposal. And there have been so many accidents on film sets from car chases. Thio, an entire set has collapsed before for fine for final Destination five. I think it was. The entire soundstage collapsed. And there was also the very famous story of Brandon Lee from the crow. Yes, yes. You know that that was to this day. Still just an accident. Whoa. Even though you talked to a lot of, you know, buddies of mine in the film industry, they all say the same thing, that somebody had it out for him, but they never could solve it. So it's still chalked up as accident.

Graham

No, that was that, then

Couch Dad

it was extremely set. So you have to be prepared for all the small accidents that happen on set and stuff. I mean, you never know. I've I've broken my ankle before on set. So it happens. It just can't do anything about it.  

Jocelyn

Hazard pay  

Couch Dad

That's why the movie that even the small budgets, that's one of the things that they said They even though if they say small budget chances are it's not necessarily small. Budget is just small budget and paying you because guess what? They got insurance because that's the first thing you gotta chalk off when you're doing your production list. Is can I make sure that my crew is insured? All right, We're good to go because you never know what's gonna happen.

Graham

So about a small budget, what is a range for small? Budg... how? When does the movie or Windows or production qualify as the small budget? What?

Couch Dad

It all depends. I mean, paranormal activity was made for like, $50,000. Very small budget and paranormal activity made what in, you know, box office, who's frickin millions of dollars. And it was a $50,000 budget. So, you know, small budget really just depends on if you're able to put a crew together and you're able to get it out, you know, you could start with $10,000 an episode for, like a TV show for small budget, and you just go from there And I've I've seen projects made for barely anything you know, just for a couple of $1000 just cause they're like, I want to get this out. It's a good story, and they they borrow as much as they can. They, you know, take their credit cards and they rank him up, rack em up to as much as possible, and they use their credit cards as the budget itself.

Graham

Uh, that's that's a brave thing to do.

Couch Dad

Yeah, very one of my favorite books is book called Rebel Without a Cause, and It's written by Robert Rodriguez. Hey is the director of Desperados, Once upon a Time in Mexico, but the first movie did was El Mariachi. I love that movie. Mariachi was done for barely anything, and he did clinical studies and scientific like medical testing for about a year to raise the money to do the El Mariachi.

Graham

And that's still one of my favorite movies made like I and I don't want it to be any better in quality than what it was and what it is,

Couch Dad

You never know what? The budget.

Graham

Yeah. What's when you watch list right now,

Couch Dad

But of men. So there's so many things on the watch list, and, uh, you know, I try to keep up with some of the current shows with my Hulu TV subscription, which has been great, but I actually have little fires everywhere is on my watch list. I am right in the middle of Tiger King on Netflix

Graham

theme. In the middle of that, I

Couch Dad

just finished up gentrified on a flex also. And I am getting back into my Brockmeyer, which is a great show from I f C that you can actually watch on Hulu

Graham

Brockmeyer. Oh, isn't that with my boy? What's his name? Uh,  

Couch Dad

Hank Azaria

Graham

Yes. Yeah, yeah. What haven't I haven't. I've been watching that cause I remember when when it was coming out and Hulu  was making a scene out of it like you needed to. Wow. Isn't that the one where he's like a sport, a sportscaster or something?

Couch Dad

So So he's a sportscaster that ends up going down the drain like he finds out that his wife is cheating on him, and it's a huge orgy kind of deal. And that's how he finds out, because he walked in on it. And he has a complete and utter meltdown on the air as a sportscaster for Major League Baseball eso. But then what happens is that after he completely has his meltdown, he becomes famous as a viral video. Oh, about his meltdown. So he doesn't know this. He ends up going to Mexico and he's on drugs and he's complete alcoholic. And he doesn't know that when he finally gets a call back to some minor league team called the Frackers because, you know, he has no idea he's a Internet sensation. Oh God. So he's finding all this out and he makes that showman hankers area is hysterical. He is a comedy genius. That show started off as a funny or die skit for five minutes, making fun of Joe Buck, and now it's going into its fourth season. So I mean and it's It's hysterical. He goes from complete down in the dumps two you know, drinking every day or, you know, trying. Thio do every drug imaginable to see if he gets fired. Two complete sober realization. And some of the guys were like, You know, I'm not sure if I like you drunk or so I actually think you're meaner, sober his whole story. It's it's hysterical. It's a lot of fun. And the lines in that movie, I mean, they're they're comedic lines that you'll remember forever. And I'll give you one just one because and he's he's doing the sportscast. And he's a little mad at the city that he's doing the sportscast in, which is in Tampa, and he just he turns to the audience and he just looks around and goes, You know what? Florida pop the cyst one day and they called it Tampa. I died in Tampa, friends in Tampa, and every time they pissed me off, I send them that clip.

Graham

But that is such a quick little thing, but it tells you everything. 

Couch Dad

Yeah, it tells you everything and the writinis phenomenal because that's the kind of comedic lines you get. And it's not just from his character, but it's from all the other characters, too. They're all hysterical, and they have. It's so well written, very well  written, so it's definitely a show that's on my watch list. I'm gonna keep watching. And if you want to catch up, all three seasons are on Hulu and the Four Seasons just started there.

Graham

And what was the length of the episodes? 30 minutes

Couch Dad

there, 30 minutes. It's 1/2 hour show.

Graham

Beautiful, Beautiful. It's sort of that show. Remember, Justin, we had sort of that kind of epiphany with the Kominsky method. We passed on the Komisnsky method several times because, you know, two old dude or whatever. And then one day we decided to watch it, and we're like, Yeah, we have to make an episode about this. This

Couch Dad

is That's a good one, too, for sure. But let me tell you, Brockmeyer is definitely one of the shows that I watched when the kids go to sleep, because the last thing I need is for my kids to walk in and be like, What is he snorting? and be like Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You know, you get into a really awkward position, where is like he was snorting something. But it's not what you think it is. I

Jocelyn

had a cold, and it was medicine  

Couch Dad

whose medicine work. He started something.

Couch Dad

But it wasn't exactly a drug. It was actually a pill for his girlfriend that she had to chop up. But it's not a drug.

Graham

It's best not to get into that conversation. Really? Conversation. It's all right. Well,

Couch Dad

there's a few that I have on my list right there.

Graham

You've you You've pointed us into some very good stuff, right?

Jocelyn

Yes. Yes, I I

Graham

pressure. I'm gonna start. I've been, for some reason, addicted to some very old ass shows that I'm finding on on Britbox. And right now, I've been watching MI5 It is, like a really mean Yeah, it's It's like my son's agents about 18 1919 years old. And it's, you know, 19 years ago doesn't seem so distant until you see how we used to dressed in the haircuts. We had any cell phones, the heavens, like Oh, that's when the flip phone was freaking awesome. I was right there. Yes, yes, you know, And the this guy could text in everything. So this is our shows that I can put on pause and go on for for something like Brock markers. You know, when you have so many seasons off one show to watch. It gets boring. You need a laugh or something like

Couch Dad

that. Yeah, that's Ah, that's a thing. After a long, long day with the kids and and with everything going on, I've been more focused on watching some comedy stuff. So Brockmeyer has been on there gentrified, which is also a bit of comedy and a bit of drama, which is a new show on Netflix s O. I actually finished that one up last night and I hate when they do this. Man, they left me on a cliffhanger. Uh, I

Graham

always been against that. If a show is gonna last a whole year before it comes back to shoot and put on a cliffhanger, Come on.

Couch Dad

I know. But you know what? It was a good cliffhanger because it was not expected for a show that it's a big comedy and it's a bit drama, but and it's a heartfelt family type of show, like it would be okay if my kids were watching it, but it just left me on like a bit of a quick thing where I was just like, Wait, what's happening to the main guy now you just don't know. You get an idea, but you're just You're just like, Well, I guess I'm definitely gonna be watching this when it comes back out. E have to know.

Graham

Yeah, yeah. I mean, but they shouldn't. This shouldn't take so long to bring shows, backers. What they've done to us with with some of the shows with cliffhangers is almost torture.

Couch Dad

It's true. And especially with the binge watching audience that you have, you think that that goes away like that So many people are just like you don't know. I want to know. Now. you buy. Netflix will et you do that. Netflix does not allow you to. For whatever reason, I'm not sure what it is, but they do a lot of shows that have cliffhangers, and they and they leave it until you have to come back. You know, a year for almost a year and 1/2 later because they hope that you're gonna forget everything. And re watched the last season just to get you up,

Graham

which was just what I've done, I mean, with with altered carbon is what I'm doing right now. I'm really watching the entire friggin thing before lunch into the second season

Couch Dad

have to because you forgot everything that happened with altered car. Yeah. I mean, that's not exactly an easy show to keep thing.

Graham

And then now with marquee on it, you know, being Takashi Cash, he has taken, like, six forms now. Amazing. Amazing Hirscher. Yeah. Um So here's here's what What I'd like to and forgive me for putting you on the spot there. Would you come back with those? At least I don't know. Once a month or so in which let let's let's give this conversation going.

Couch Dad

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'd love to. I love to come back as a regular and we can pick out something new to to discuss. I know we discussed a few things then. Now that your audience knows me a little bit more, they got to know a little bit about my background, and we got to talk about some details in video production in movie production. Uh, next next time around, we could just jump into a few shows and a few movies that were watching.

Graham

Fantastic. I think that's a fantastic idea. It's a good idea. And of course we Jocelyn I know I know you. You open to it. We are all available to guest on Couch Dad's When are phenomenal. Get started.

Graham

Basically, we're inviting ourselves. T I

Couch Dad

wouldn't see it any other way. I mean, you can't come to my couch now because my couch does not have enough room to have one person plus six feet plus another person, not that big of a couch.

Graham

You have to get a big sectionals.

Couch Dad

But maybe we could. We could do virtual quote on cool couches that are six feet apart.

Graham

Well, George de Moya, it's It's been an absolute delight to have you or kicking. It's trimming. You have bean. You know, I'm gonna put it up there best guest so far to the point where we are. Like think. I mean, I percent rethinking the whole idea of not having a guest every time, But obviously not all of them are gonna be like you. So wait to see what was the only guest way are we are ever so grateful to you for for being on, on on on our podcast and

Jocelyn

thanks for  spending Saturday time with us.

Graham

Yes. Yes. Much success to couchdad's podcast. When? In April. We are awaiting the launch and we'll be right there behind your men. Pushing it through.

Couch Dad

Sounds great, man. Thank you so much. Graham and Joe Joe, for having me on love. Kicking and streaming Keep listening to kicking in a stream And they always got some of the best content out there with the most up to date movies and reviews. I love listening to you guys, so keep it up

Graham

Means a lot. Thank you so much then. So we are going to say goodbye, my friends, You know where to find us. We are on all the social media out their twitter instagram phrasebook, keen interest. And of course, you will find our home base, which is kickin and streamin podcast. You can find me on Instagram as mrpuzzetta m r p u z z e t t a. And of course, you can find Jocelyn at

Jocelyn

jocelynpodcasts,  

Graham

all right. And my friend George is also on instagram and Twitter as couch Dad's broadcast. Also, you can follow 90 miles productions that's 90 miles Mediums or 90 miles media and of course, ATF. Winston. Yeah, and I felt body cast net. It's also bad. You can follow him on everywhere you confined. If you just surge George de Moya, you will find him there and give him a follow and follow couch out. But guys, be on the lookout for the 1st 5 episodes coming. Sure. Yes, that's correct. Yeah, well, and so, my friends, thank you very much for listening today. Thinking, George. Thank you, Georgia. Thank

Graham

you, everybody. Thank you.

Being in quarantine is new and uncharted territory for almost everyone today. It’s especially so if you live in the U.S. where almost everything can be done at a moment’s notice and 24 hours a day. But the looming threat of Covid-19, it’s in our interest to stay home and follow the guidelines outlined by state and local officials in order to prevent the spread of Corona Virus. We at Kickin’ & Streamin’ Podcast know that the struggle is real and there’s only so many recipes you can try, there’s only so many times you can scrub the bathrooms, scroll through social media, read that book you started on your last vacation and never finished. If you find yourself wandering aimlessly on Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Roku, and all other streaming platforms looking for something to watch? The following list of binge watchable contents is all you need so you can stop scrolling up and down, and start your binge watch. You’re welcome!

  • Tiger King – this show is totally bats and 100% what we needed as a country right now.  You think you know what’s happening, and then, BAM!  A tiger jumps out of a double-wide and eats your arm.  (Netflix)
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  • Rebooted (2019)- this sweet little short film is an homage to old Hollywood monster movies – except it’s from Australia. Funny and touching, it’s safe to watch with the kids.  (YouTube)
  • Luther – Idris Elba plays this emotionally raw and self-destructive British detective who has a knack for catching murderers, but finds himself trapped in a psychological duel with a predator from whom can’t seem to escape. (Netflix)
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  • QI (Quite Interesting) Originally conducted by the great British actor Stephen Fry, (aka) the smartest man in show business, QI is the greatest of any trivia/comedy show you’ve ever seen. Giving you a good giggle while making you smart at the same time. (Tubi) (Britbox)
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Enjoy, and please remember to practice social distancing, wash your hands, and stay at home if you can.

Graham : 00:00

Yeah. So tell me about your experience with this movie. How How did you like Jojo?

Jocelyn: 00:07

I was surprised by how much I liked it. I honestly wasn't expecting very much. And now that I have seen it and have seen have read more about it and what happened, um, I kind of feel bad about not expecting very much. Um, so I can't say I have ever been a Shia LaBoeuf fan, but I certainly have a lot more empathy for him and respect that I ever did after this movie.

Graham : 00:40

And And I think that's what That's the main theme here that you don't necessarily have to have been a fan of his to to now because hey makes a point in in in humanizing every element of this movie. And by the way, I think I want to give a little bit more credit to Alma Har'el than shia even. Yes, I wrote his own screenplay in it, so it's about his own life. So I think you have to think about that combination of Shia's personal pain versus the magnificent directing off Alma Har'el.

Jocelyn: 01:26

Yes, I agree with that 100% because I think with a different director. It could have been a piece of crap.

Graham : 01:33

Could be absolutely, You know what, Jojo? With that said, Let's go ahead and start the show about that.

Jocelyn: 01:42

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Intro Announcer: 03:21

This is kicking and streaming podcast of Binge Watcher's Guide to Streaming movies, TV series on and Stuff. Here are your hosts, Graham and Jocelyn

Graham : 03:37

Hello everyone and welcome to another episode off kickin and streamin' Here with you. I am Graham with via Skype on this week of social distancing, My very better half in terms of podcasting. She is the co host. Everyone wants to have what I mind is to have her. Her name is Jojo, Uh,

Jocelyn: 04:02

how did doo?

Graham : 04:03

How do you do it to you Jojo Um and of course, we have to put it out there. You have not been feeling well, but obviously, you know, we don't want our audience to be worried that it has anything to do with covid 19. We live in a part of the United States where at this time, with or without cove in 19 most of us have running. Those isn't in watery eyes and so forth because allergies are the top off top issue, isn't it?

Jocelyn: 04:39

Oh, yeah, there's There's so much pollen in the air. It's insane. But ah, you know, erring on the side of caution and and self quarantining until I am a symptom. Asymptomatic? Is that the right word?

Graham : 04:52

Yes, yes, yes, a symptomatic. I feel like this is one of those words that we've overused lot in this period. And after that, you know, most people will completely forget about it about what it means in in a year from the ER. You know, that is of course, if Cuvee doesn't come back in in the in the next winter,

Jocelyn: 05:16

right? Great. And take a soul out so well, these were happy times. Oh, yeah.

Graham : 05:24

This week we are talking about a fantastic little movie out of Amazon Prime. This movie was in select theaters. I think back in November. If I remember correctly, Yes. And uh is called honey boy is sort off like loosely based on Shia LaBoeuf's life story. Yes, And I have to confess that even though I heard a beautiful interview with Alma Har'el and Shia LaBoeuf on NPR back somewhere early January, I wasn't planning on watching that movie, to tell you the truth. And when you suggested it, I felt yeah, why not make it a podcast episode about it? Just in case we'll run out of things to talk about that I am more interested. Uh huh. The truth, is. When I started watching this movie, I knew where it was going. I was fascinated by shy as performance from the very beginning, Yes, but at the same time, I started to become triggered. And so my first reaction was, I have I have to stop watching these because you know, it's not particularly my life, my life story, But the dynamic of manipulation and control that we see in this movie is has, you know, reminds me a lot of my own upbringing and childhood. So I I think it took me about nine days to finish the entire movie. I could only watch a total of love about 10 to 12 minutes at a time. I don't know. I don't know. You know, I I suffered through this movie a lot. And that's not to say that this movie is not good. This is a great movie and Shia LaBoeuf, deserves all praise is in accolades. But I have to warn you, if you had a difficult childhood, if you've had a difficult relationship with one of your parents or with both your parents, it could you could become triggered, Isn't it Jojo?

Jocelyn: 08:11

Yeah, I I agree with you with that, um, very much so. And not even necessarily was in the sense of, you know, being a golden ticket because I was certainly never anybody's golden ticket. But some of the the the As you said manipulation and sort of gas lighting and the way some of the communication goes on, if you had, perhaps not the greatest parent in the world, more parents in the world. Some of this is probably going to resonate with you and not in the best of manners. That being said, I think that is a testament to the talent of the actors and the director and the writer. Because I think if it had not been handled as skillfully as it was, it would have not. It wouldn't resonate. It would be like, Yeah, whatever. That's not how it goes Theeighty.

Graham : 09:14

You are correct, Joe. Uh, continue, please. But I think I think you are hitting the money part right there.

Jocelyn: 09:22

Yeah, I was I was gonna ask you if you felt if you felt that way to, you know, since it resonated with you. If it if you felt if you felt that that sort of connection to it in the sense of this is really good, because it connects to this part of me, that was a really bad time of my life. But if it if it had not been as well done, I don't think it would have connected to that terrible part of our lives.

Graham : 09:45

Yes, Yes, you're absolutely right. And here's the thing I What fascinates me the most about this movie is the fact that they managed to make art with it. Yeah, it wasn't a cruel piece of movie that they wanted to make it. I don't know. So do you remember, for instance, the movie Precious? Yes. So the movie Precious was a powerful movie, but it was at the same time, a very The cruelty was too much in your face that I don't like. I couldn't call it art, if you will. It was more like, almost as if he were as really as a documentary. There was, you know? Yes. Monique artfully a created a character in there that earned her an Oscar. And she was fantastic in it. But again, I the writing in if in itself was no, nothing compared to these and perhaps no, I'm not talking about. Maybe I shouldn't say they're writing, but rather the managing of the directing of the direction where the movie should be going and the weight should get there. I don't know if I'm making it even making sense.

Jocelyn: 11:18

No, I I think I know what you mean. That this this had a little bit of some of the magic and imagination you feel when you're still a child. Um, especially the interactions between shy girl and and Otis. I felt that that that reached a level of art and kind of reached a level of of having good times even when it was crap.

Graham : 11:46

Yes, yes, yes. And way are going to we'll get into the cast. You remember how many high praises I had for the actress who played who played shy girl? We're gonna We're gonna, you know, took a bit more deeply about the cast and specifically about f k tweaks as shy grow. But yes, you are. You are. I mean, come on, you've got the way that I am. I am. You know, I'm I'm speechless. No, because I'm surprised, but rather because it is just flowing out off your mouth in a way that I, you know, I can only be in all, uh um, So let's sort off, like go into the little be off the off the synopsis off this movie in, obviously the way that you can only do

Jocelyn: 12:46

well, it's It's honey boy. It was written by by Shia Leboeuf and and loosely based on his experiences. His life story is his world view. It's about a a young boy actor in the nineties whose father is essentially his acting coach slash manager slash handler slash agent, who is a sort of a failed stunt actor, kind of a failed actor himself. He has some talent, but not enough to go all the way. But his son is very talented, and it's the story of the relationship between the two of them, the sort of symbiotic need that there is between the two of them for each other, obviously, the need a child has for their parent, but but also the need that this father has for his kid to make it big and the the sort of sadness there is in that the loss of a relationship that could have been. And so it just kind of takes you through that to the child career in the nineties through a series of fash flashbacks and then also it takes you thio him as a young man, having essentially screwed up in being in rehab, and it's just it's a difficult movie to watch, but it's a beautiful movie at the same time.

Graham : 14:23

Yes, that's the best way off Describing it is difficult to watch. And it is a beautiful movie, a piece off art in every way. Shape before eso, as you were saying, the movie is sort of like, divided in in two time lines, right? Yeah. Uh, so you've got odis already as a you know, man child, if you will. Yes. You have roadies at 12 years old and, you know, going through all of these pain in in bad times. So the most powerful thing for me is the fact that she had decided to play the character that is based on his father. Yes. And according to what I read, he originally did not tell his father that he was the one playing him. He actually picked an actor that he knew. Well, Pete, the name of an actor that he knew his father was gonna be very proud off to play him, right? And so because obviously the father is a very vain person. So, you know, it's like coming and telling telling him. Look, I don't know. Clooney has agreed to play you, and of course that you know Oh, yeah. Let me let me sign this away. And then after that, he told him, No, I'm gonna be with the one playing you. And even still, Dad was not having. And he couldn't believe that Cheyenne was actor enough to put to portray him. And this is where we see what it is. Do you remember we had this conversation? What it used to be raised Bye in megalomaniac. And and this is what this guy is. As you said, He is a rodeo former rodeo clown, slash actor slash stoned man who has screwed up so much that he can. He's his time has passed, and he is not gonna make it. And so it's almost as if by carelessly he's living those dreams through his kid. But he can not manage to feel to let himself be proud off that, but rather to feel self pity in our insecure around his kids on talents in unfortunate and good fortune, isn't it?

Jocelyn: 17:03

Yeah. Threatened by him, I would say he's he's threatened by him and maybe a little scared of the kid's talent, and and instead of a CZ, you said, encouraging that, deciding that that has to be ah, bullied, you'll never be as good as make it. You'll never be as good as may.

Graham : 17:24

Right? And so the thing is that he knew that he was what he was saying wasn't true. But to a kid, Yeah, to a kid that said, Like when the person who's supposed to be you biggest champion tells you now, man, you don't have it, you ain't got it. And you know gonna be good. And it was almost in a way, you can only be grace if I make you great, isn't it?

Jocelyn: 17:58

Yes. Yes, yes. Yeah, that nobody else knows as much as I d'oh, you'll never learn anything from anybody but me. And you know, any anything you learned from anybody else's is crap. So, um, you could be good, but you have to follow my ways. But remember, you'll never be as good as me. That

Graham : 18:18

is insecurity in its at its best.

Jocelyn: 18:23

Yes, yes, and I think it's very telling. I know that that shy Leboeuf had to do what he had to do to get his father to sign off on this so he could get the movie made. But I've found it very telling that even though he's, you know, all grown up now and his father is is is elderly. When he's not older, he's elderly. Um and he's still Yeah, he still had the need. He still had to lie to him, You know what I mean? Like, he couldn't just go to his father and say, I'm making this movie and you're gonna sign this, and I'm gonna play you and I don't care what you think, but you're gonna sign it. You know, he's he still had to resort to manipulation, which is what I assume he was taught to get it done. And, um, to me, that's just hugely telling of the related relationship that they had and continue to have.

Graham : 19:16

Oh, yeah, It's that dynamic off fear that even when you are elect I tweeted ones that, you know, I always twit things with the hashtag grown a patient. And I was saying that going on vacation, you no slamming a door. It's such a no no, that at 43 years old, at my own damn house, when when I'm closing the door, I make sure to pull it with both hands so that I don't in fear that I'm gonna I'm gonna get yelled at and there is no one in the world that I will I fear most getting yelled that than my mother did. You know, as a 40 something year old, you know, people. If you haven't been there, you don't understand it. And that's exactly that dynamic we're talking about here. I like. I mean, the kid had to go to his dad and say, Look, man, I'm gonna do these, but you know, it's it's not me. It's somebody else. Like I have to I have to make you look good. Yeah, Um,

Jocelyn: 20:27

yeah, the ripples that ripples, you know, the still pond in the in the small stone. But the ripples go on forever.

Graham : 20:34

Yes, yes. And so let's go ahead and talk a little bit about the cast unless you have any comment about the story itself.

Jocelyn: 20:47

Um, the only thing I wanted to comment on was the chicken. I found the chicken an interesting diversion and sort of ah, metaphor for something that I didn't quite get. That was another part. I felt like where it reached art was was with the chicken. So with Henrietta eso with Henrietta the chicken. So I found the inclusion of her. This sort of I suppose I should explain a little bit for those of you who haven't seen it. The character that shy Leboeuf plays his father had a failed circus act that involved a chicken and they did needed acts. I mean, nothing weirder. Gross. It's just the chicken, you know, did little acrobatic things. And the father did acrobatic things. And when older Otis is in rehab, they have chickens at the rehab center and the in part of working at rehab, they have them work with animals and they have to clean out the chicken coop. And, ah, kind of the the flashbacks that that caused for him too. I found very interesting. And I thought it was a very evocative way of telling the story.

Graham : 22:02

Yes. And this is as you said, this is what brings it's so much more to in an artful movie, as opposed to just telling off a horrible story. Yes. Yeah, it is differently. Subject to interpretation that the chicken both if you notice always never lays a hand on the chicken, huh? It's like it chased that he never that never materializes. Yes, um, in to a certain extends. I I I would put it in my own interpretation. And everybody was just food. You two, Do you think about it in a different way. But for me, it is the happiness in childhood that he still wishes he had, you know, with his father in at the same time, The chicken, in my mind signifies all the dreams that his father constantly pursued and never got a hold off. All of these, you know, dreams. That field. It's like what I thought about it, you know, especially in the very last. I don't know, 10 more eight minutes of the movie, that's all. That's all I could see, you know, because he never gets to actually get a hold of the chain. And even when she could stop running, he just passes by in the two of them are by the pool like, Yeah. Is the chicken okay? Yes. Yeah. Yes. So, yeah, but But, you know, it was one of these details that I personally I wasn't remembering, So thanks for bringing that up, because that that is a very important part of the movie. Is this this thing off the chicken with the dreams and the nightmares and everything, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Um So he did write this movie, The screenplay, at least while he was in rehab, That going through all of these things. And I think this was the time where we all thought Thes guy is a clown. And what a great career he's throwing away. Obviously well are full of judgment and old themes seem to know, Especially when it's about a child actor. You know, all the shit that that will seem to think that would know, You know, Just get it together,

Jocelyn: 24:49

right? Right. Oh, they've got it so easy. They've got everything they've ever wanted and their famous Why aren't they happy? They should be happy. Why are you screwed up? What do you have

Graham : 24:57

his herd of about? Yeah, that that's not reality. And I think he's managed to make his case a CZ. We said in the beginning that you don't necessarily have to be a big fan of his to understand, to see where he's coming from. In all the things that he's gone through.

Jocelyn: 25:13

Yeah, and I think for me, too. It kind of made me think a little bit about empathy and the facts that just because I don't particularly care for somebody whether they're an actor somebody you meet in the street, you may not know everything about them. So empathy, you don't You don't have to understand what they went through to try and have empathy for people. Not that you let them walk all over you either, but you don't have to immediately jump Thio. Well, you've had everything given to you in life, So why should you be a jerk?

Graham : 25:48

Yeah, Yeah, And And this This involves people from all walks off life because the thing is, I remember no two little girls having this conversation, and I was saying, you know, it is very easy to say. Well, there's nothing wrong with these guys staying in the corner and tryingto, you know, to bum a cigarette and asking you for money. Why isn't he working and is there? Isn't to say that because, you know, you don't see anything wrong with him physically, But do we know what's wrong with him mentally and know all mental illness is visible is apparent. There are and know only that it could know this is really it doesn't have to be a mental illness. We think about this guy who is perfectly able to where? But who the hell is going to hire him? Because you don't know if he had I don't know, a little about in jail for Marina Mari. One opposition when he was 16 years old and he was completely stupid. But yet that still is in his record and he can't get a fucking job. We have to stop being so judgmental readily to George everybody, because we don't see what's wrong. Yeah, you know. Yes. E yes. That's the Minister's right there. Yeah. Yeah. So the cast. I am impressed by virtually everybody who took part in these movie. I don't know how you feel about that.

Jocelyn: 27:26

Yes, me too. I I loved the kid. Know it knew a Jew pop. I I loved his portrayal of of Young Otis. I think he just he just did a beautiful job of being a kid who just wants their dad to love him.

Graham : 27:45

Yes, and his ability to portray that pain. So yeah, found so beautifully. I don't know if that's even thing you can say, but yes, you are absolutely right. No nor Jube. I don't know. I've never seen this kid before. No, me neither. But what a cool leader actor he's aimed. I can only see you know great things happening for him from

Jocelyn: 28:15

now on. Yeah, Yeah, I think he, uh I think he has a great future ahead of him. And I hope that he as parents who love him. Yes, yes, e hope he's nobody's golden ticket.

Graham : 28:28

Yes. And hopefully he wasn't pulling outof own experience to portray all of what we saw in this movie. The kid I know he was acting and everything, but it looks like his lovable young gentleman And, um, you know, many a time I wanted to just reach out and give him a hug. Yes, yes. Yeah. So Lucas Hedges plays older audience, and, um, you know, uh, it's it's a character of the time that I don't necessarily have a little fun, Um, sympathy for because to assure an extent originally, he looked like he didn't want to be helped What? That is. In fact, one of the side effects off PTSD is the inability two to agree that you need treatment, you know, because with PTSD, you sort of talk yourself into some things that normally would work for you and that you shouldn't need any more help than that which normally, you know, is alcohol, drugs and shit like that. And so, you know, you have these need to portray that. I'm fine. You know? It's like when you fall in, a lot of people saw you fall. Yeah, Yeah, I happened. And then you go behind the wall instead, like, Oh, you know,

Jocelyn: 30:17

I think it looks like

Graham : 30:21

Exactly So I feel like that's what was going on. But there is a young men there that kept bodies company. I think his name is Byron Bowers. He's a comedian. And his lines were so funny. Yeah, he's his delivery was insane, but his likes Everything this guy said was funny, funny, funny. And yes, I think the funniest part about it is that obviously didn't find those for he.

Jocelyn: 30:57

No, no, just just looking at him like

Graham : 30:59

like for good. So Byron bars. It was a good casting their in. What do you think off Laura San Giacomo as as the as a therapist.

Jocelyn: 31:14

I was happy to see her better. What size seen her in in anything. And I've always liked her like I've always enjoyed her performances. So I, uh I was excited to see her, and I think she I think she did a really good job with being a therapist. I think she brought a crossed an empathetic and carrying therapist character. Very well,

Graham : 31:38

madly credible to it was like Like I see this lady. And immediately I see a therapist.

Jocelyn: 31:45

Yes, Yes. I don't see an actress playing a therapist. I see a therapist. Yes,

Graham : 31:51

that was those really, really good. And so now we go to the motel and we talk about some of the colorful characters we saw there, right? Yes. And that brings us, of course, to shy girl. Yes, I I don't know The the actress playing Side Girl is mostly known as a denser, more over denser than she's an actress. That doesn't mean that she doesn't act. But you know, her lunch into the world is more than I think. She toured with ah and Shiran, Kylie Minogue and a whole bunch of people f k a twig. She is from England. And what fascinates me the most about her character. I don't know if you would if you will agree with that, but is how little, she said. And how much she said, how little she opened her mouth. But how much her character's A's.

Jocelyn: 33:00

Yes, yes, I I agree with you 100% because she has very few lines. But she what she does say is very powerful. But more so. What she does is, um and I think maybe that was the message there, too, for young Otis because his father never shut up. He never stopped talking.

Graham : 33:21

Oh, my God. Yes. Hey,

Jocelyn: 33:22

never shut up. Um, but, see, I didn't really say anything, but every action she performed with Otis everything that she did with him and for him spoke more Southern words ever could. Yes, every touch, every look, every action said something more than just this person over here with verbal diarrhea.

Graham : 33:47

Yes, yes, The her glances were some of the most powerful things I've ever seen. And you know, as you say, that interaction caused in the the ability to bring so much innocence in that interaction. Yes, it's like it wasn't a woman rubbing a child of his innocence, but rather lowering herself to be as innocent as the child? Yes. I don't know if that makes Sens.

Jocelyn: 34:27

It does it. Does it make sense to me that there was? That's the other thing I thought was very touching to was it was It was so innocent. They're they're being together was completely innocent

Graham : 34:40

in there's this moment where I think the first time that they sort of, like, have these encounter, which, in my view, was completely, absolutely non sexual. It was sort of like, you need a hug. I need a hug, you know? Yes. And there was this moment where all this sort of like springs off the bed and find some money and gives it to her. And you could see the disappointment in her fees like this is no what this is about a ho. You know that Z count? How how did you misunderstand is you know what I mean. And I think the rest of the time this sort of like worked out for the two of them to understand in what situation they were.

Jocelyn: 35:33

Yeah, I thought that that it was really sad because you could, as you said, see the disappointment on her face and also the comprehension that this is the only way he knows how to show love. Because the only way he keeps his father around is by paying him. The only way he ever gets any good behavior out of his father is by paying him so you could see the comprehension on her face of this isn't what this is about. But I also understand why he did this. You know, there wasn't There was not judgment on her face. There was not there was not discussed. There was not excitement in the sense of Oh, boy. Free ride money. Um, it was this poor child only knows how to say I love you by giving me 50 bucks.

Graham : 36:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in that dynamic, if, you know, I didn't get off reading. And that seems to be a dynamic that, I dare say, has no faded in in shy as personal life. Um, the You know, the moment he made it big, I think hey went and went and bought this house for his mother in a car. And then he went and found his father. Took him to where? Harley Davidson store and told him if you see a bike that you like. Get it. You know, you know, it's It's almost as if now that I can show you that I'm good enough. You don't You know, you don't get to actually, I mean at me to yourself that you were wrong. And I've been good enough all along but years how I can show you how good I am, you know? Yes is a sad thing. You know, Um, it's it's it's a lot to work out as an adult. These feelings that you can only have friends you can only have of loved ones as long as you have something to give them is is one of the most damaging habits, if you will. Because it is the number one thing that will break every relation, every meaningful relationship the person has. Yeah, yet. So who else on the cast that we I There's an element that I like is that Mom was always there. But you never saw her? Yes, you know, and I think it was a court. They credited Natasha Leone as mom. But you never saw her, you know? No. Yeah. So these particular scene for me was heartbreaking, and I had to stop. I had to go. Just, you know, get a drink. And what? Something else in going back to it. Um, because I I still don't understand how some adults I don't see how much they hurt their kids when they don't take care too. You know, when they're gonna go added and hate each other and be horrible to each other to make sure not to do all of that in the prisons of the kid, right? Aimed for the notion that anyone would ask this poor kid. You know what? Be my messenger, you know?

Jocelyn: 39:40

Yes. Be the middleman for our phone

Graham : 39:42

bargain. My God, that was so horrible.

Jocelyn: 39:46

It was I

Graham : 39:47

feel bad for him. Because then any rage that the father felt towards the mother who's on the other side of the phone was directed at the poor kid. Yes, you know yes. Aimed. I think off course the kid was broken, but I think this is for me. This was where he he he was shattered.

Jocelyn: 40:20

I agree with you. I agree

Graham : 40:23

is his way. Who was shattered? Um two. Needless to say that we both like this movie. Yes, we think very highly of it. We I don't know, but I feel a certain kind of pride. I feel proud off off her Charlotte buff for these work.

Jocelyn: 40:49

Yeah, Yeah. I didn't really expect very much of it, to be honest, but after having watched it and seeing how how sensitively it was directed and and written, um, I'm very proud of of him. And I think he should be proud Thio of what he brought to the screen and the fact that he I was able to evoke some of those terrible times. But at the same time, you know, maybe give some of us some hope that at some point we'll be able to get past it.

Graham : 41:27

Yeah, And I also feel that same pride for Alma Harold for taking the lip from from mostly documentaries to a feature film and doing it so brilliantly. Yes, I see if future in absolutely blinding future there as a powerful voice that she will become in Hollywood.

Jocelyn: 41:59

Yes. And I look forward to that because there needs to be, you know, he needs to be more of that.

Graham : 42:05

This is is, um so watch this movie. It is on Amazon prime. It is called Honey Boy Starring Hi, Albert. Uh, no. Uh, juke, Um, Lucas Hedges, Uh, and F k a twigs, Laura's and Giacomo. Uh, who directed by the brilliant Alma Haro? Yeah, And tell us what you think. If you were able to watch it, please come back and tell us you can find us on Twitter. You confined us off course on Instagram, and you can leave us a message to on our website kicking instrument podcast talk. Come. You can find us on Facebook as kicking his Children and on being interest, right? Yes. Pieces First pin interest. You will find Jocelyn on Instagram as Jocelyn podcast and me you'll find me always as Mr Puts theta m r p u z z e t t a. That is on Twitter and on Instagram Please stay inside If you, you know, stay home. If you can take those social distancing warnings in, please protect yourselves You know you loved ones and protect the society around Yes, we need to stop the spread way Need to be vigilant but we need to do our

Jocelyn: 43:57

part. Yes, do our part to flatten the curb and not overwhelming already stressed and aging health care system.

Graham : 44:08

If you are affected by this way, are with you and wait. Thompson Ceiling, Get Wilson. Yes. Peace and good health. Absolutely. So for me and for Justin and thistles. Goodbye with Thank you very much for today.

Jocelyn: 44:33

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Graham

And so, Jojo, uh, all we have to do this week to be trending is to say, corona virus

Jocelyn

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Graham

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Jocelyn

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Graham

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Jocelyn

They did a little video to go along with. It would. Yeah,

Graham

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Jocelyn

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Graham

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Jocelyn

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Graham

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Jocelyn

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Graham

All right? So seriously that we are talking about this because it is very, you know, A Propos?

Jocelyn

Yeah, schools are closing. And in the area that we're currently in their closing in other states responsible employers or having people work from home. You know, Thea, the CDC is having, uh, a lot of information on their website. Sporting events have been canceled. NASCAR's been canceled. NASCAR, NASCAR, I mean, you know, serious. Yeah, So, I mean, you know, it's serious when sports were canceled. Yes. You know, lots of conventions and gatherings have been cancelled. People or postponing weddings. So, um, this is a big deal,

Graham

Yo! But, all right, well, we're good, right?

Jocelyn

Yeah, we're good. So if if any of you are quarantined or self quarantined, thank you for for listening to us, and, uh, we have a fun little list for you.

Graham

Yes. Yes, we thought about that. Right. And, uh, we have something for our... for folks who, maybe courage. Because we know that in fact, we've got listeners all over the world, and I know that we've got listeners in Iran. We've got blisters in Italy. We've got listeners in Asia in most of these countries that are affected. Some of you guys have had to go on isolation. So we got you back. Yes, and with that said, Let's shoot, Let's go ahead and get this started, shall we?

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This is kicking and streaming podcast, a Binge Watcher's Guide to Streaming Movies. TV series and stuff. Here are your hosts, Graham and Jocelyn!

Graham

and hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Kickin' & Streamin'. My name is Graham. And of course with me in studio. It is my fantastic co-host, the Very, very, very, very Bonachona Jocelyn. Aaaah you didn't know about that Bonachona, that's  ul tra good. So very good. Fantastic! Absolutely fantastic. Jojo, say hi to these folks for me?

Jocelyn

Howdy. Do you? You know that everybody teams in every week for my howdy. D'oh! Don't do it, everybody. There's they're sweeping in the street.

Graham

Who are, you know, What did you do, with Jocelyn? You know the transcription to our podcast, when I say Jocelyn, they are transcribing as Jost ling I jus t like that's no, I'm talking about whatever do Why did pick on the guy with the accent? I don't know. Always. So this week, as Jocelyn alluded to we are talking about We have a show that it covered 19 oriented because we thought the sooner or later as a scientist put it, between 40 to 70% of the earth population is going to be affected by this. This is no hyperbole. This is no exaggeration. This is where we are, and this is what it is. And in that respect, we want you to be prepared because there's only so many books you can read. There's only so many magazines you can read. And, uh, there's only so much you can scroll on, you know, on Facebook and social media, given the fact that pretty much everybody is talking about the same thing. So it's not even that fun anymore.  

Jocelyn

No

Graham

We discovered this article on vulture dot com that presents us with 58 pandemic theme movies that one could watch in case of self isolation or or quarantine. Right? And so we are going to present these movies with their titles, and we're going to give you a brief synopsis of A And we'll also tell you where you can find those movies to stream.  

Jocelyn

Yes,  

Graham

Right. So, Jo, what about you? Get started?

Jocelyn

All right, So I first have Outbreak, which was a movie that turned a micro generation into hypochondriacs. Outbreak is about a fictional California town that is entirely quarantined when it becomes ground zero for an Ebola like outbreak in the United States. The story centers on the CDC and military medical researchers charged with containing and treating the infected, and it has people bleeding out of orifice is and that one extremely scary movie theater scene that made almost everyone currently between about 30 and 35 think they were going to catch a catastrophic illness in a movie theater.  

Graham

Oh, wow. Oh,

Jocelyn

so this one you can get on Netflix and, um, I personally have not seen this one, but, um, it sounds like it was Ah, ah ah humdinger. How's that humdinger?

Graham

Humdinger? What is a elaborate for me on Humdinger?

Jocelyn

Ah, like a really big deal, but in, like, a scary way. Oh, yeah,

Graham

that's what home dig.

Jocelyn

Yeah, like that's a humdinger of an injury. You know, like somebody's got a broken arm, the bones hanging out.

Graham

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, I For a moment I thought it was like something. You heard him. That rap Hostepper... they call me hot stepper, muderer

Jocelyn

that stuck in my head better than Come on, Eileen. So e fine with that.

Graham

Jocelyn has been, has been thinking about Come on Eileen. Come on. You know what I mean. I like singing just so I can say what I mean. It's cool, Whip. Let's move on then. So the next one is Is it contagion? Oh, contagion.

Jocelyn

Think it's contagion contagion. It's gotta be in. This is America way would never say something as exotic and lovely is contingent

Graham

on it. So let's go with contagion. The disease disaster movie on Everyone sleeps Right Now. Steven Soderbergh's Contagion is best known for the terrifying death of Gwyneth Paltrow very early on in the movie, which makes us all realize that the fictional disease spreading across Earth in super serious you can't just kill Gwyneth Paltrow like that the movie is front loaded would tread before turning into a chilling sociological study off what everyday people would do during a pretty realistic seeming pandemic. It's available on Hulu, and I think we are seeing a sociological experiment with these thing going on right now.  

Jocelyn

Yeah. Definitely so

Graham

if you're not in the United States and let me tell you about something ridiculous that has happened here as a result of just the talks about the Covid-19  0r Corona viruses that somehow people think they need more toilet paper than usual. So, Right now there is a shortage of toilet paper

Jocelyn

And paper towels,

Graham

Paper towels

Graham

and napkins  

Graham

But Jocelyn, why?

Jocelyn

I I don't know. I don't understand. I I actually saw a little comic that I felt was appropriate because it was you know, and by comic, I just mean that it was illustrated. It was a mom with a cancer child patient in bed, you know, with all the machines and everything hooked up. And she tells the father, you know OK, we need we need paper towels. We need it's hand sanitizer. We need wipes. We need bleach. We need toilet paper. You know, um and we need masks because they have a child that has a compromised immune system, and the father goes out to get it. And everything is the all of the shelves are empty. And he's just standing there in the middle of the empty shells going, you bastards. And you know, that's to me. That's what it is. It's I don't understand the hoarding mentality. Yeah, um, the, uh Well, I got my toilet papers, so I'll be fine and fuck the rest of you guys. I I don't I don't get it. I understand wanting to be prepared for something, but I don't get the whole toilet paper thing.

Graham

There's a whole lot of things that that I was expecting would be Would would go extinct in the supermarket. You know, much in the same way that when you were expecting a hurricane or something, that for some reason people stock up on milk, which, when you know when you have a hurricane or when you have a snowstorm wherever you lose electricity, most likely. So there you go.

Jocelyn

Yeah, really, really know of all the things to have go bad, milks is a pretty nasty one

Graham

is so quick. But that doesn't make sense on, you know, on this aspect and for the life of me, I still don't get the toilet paper thing.

Jocelyn

I don't I don't know. In in the apocalypse, I would think that one of the last things you would be worried about is if your ass was clean. E I mean, I mean, seriously, honestly, if we're going to talk about this being the actual apocalypse and this is the end of structured society, toilet paper is what you're going for, folks? 

Graham

I don't get it, but  But that, on the other hand, has given us a lot of good memes. E I follow As you guys know, I'm I'm Haitian, So I follow a lot of Facebook pages that are Haitian oriented. The other one was a girl who tweeted that her uncle called her from Haiti Say, do you need me to come in to rescue you from this shit hole country? I thought that was gold. All right, so Jocelyn, who's next and what is next?

Jocelyn

Um, let's see. This is one that I've never heard of. It's called

Graham

the flu. What? Theo WENN did not wanna come

Jocelyn

up. It's, um, in the South Korean film, a severely deadly strain of the virus h five n one starts tearing through the city of Bun Dang killing Those who contract it within 36 hours population of nearly one million are suddenly in danger of being wiped out en masse available on iTunes or Prime.

Graham

Oh, that might be one of those that you have to pay for it. Maybe

Jocelyn

it's a mile. Yeah, that's sure if it's on on products

Graham

will be available with prime membership. Also, Prime has a lot of paid for stuff. So

Jocelyn

that's true. They do

Graham

Yeah, but hey, I mean again, if you have stuck at home and you have to watch something, you know, I might as well pay $3.50 for a standard definition and watching me, and I mean yeah,

Jocelyn

because I mean, you know, you know, you're gonna if your Starbucks person you're not going out to get you your regular Starbucks. So you because you're quarantined, you're not supposed to be going out. So if you are tisk, tisk bad on you, you're not doing the right thing. So So, yeah, So there's your your Starbucks for the day is ah, is ah, foreign movie. And that that sounds interesting because

Graham

we just had H1N1 woes. It was 2010 was believed that way. We have each one and one.

Jocelyn

Yeah, we should have a vaccine for that one,

Graham

right? That's true, because I remember Obama got Obama way. Got it? Yeah, that's what everybody kind of chilled out.

Jocelyn

Yeah, I went and got it.

Graham

You did,

Jocelyn

I did go get the job. I was that paid for us all to go get the H1N1 vaccine because they were concerned about all of us getting sick. Good job. Yeah, it hurt like a motherfucker. I have to say, You know, your arm is always sore after a vaccination. For whatever reason, that one hurt worse. It could have been psychological. It could have been psychosomatic. It probably was. But I don't know why. Because I really wasn't worried about each one and one. They just came to us. And we're like,

Graham

Hey, do what you want to get you. So

Jocelyn

and I was like, Yeah, sure, sure, Yeah. Like needles.

Graham

You know what? The interesting thing is? The amount of fucking conspiracy theories that have, you know, risen in relation to to Covid 19.

Jocelyn

Oh, yeah, like it was created and all the house. And, um, you know, it's a it's a Democratic yes. Um um, something or another to make the president look bad. And

Graham

there's one. This is the last one I heard was it was Bill Gates.

Jocelyn

Oh, yeah. That one too

Graham

Bill Gates. Let's move on. E. I can't talk about dumb stuff like that without getting ***. So let's do it. So Jocelyn you are an old movie buff.  

Jocelyn

I am.  

Graham

So I wonder if you know about the next one.

Jocelyn

I actually don't know about it, but I know all the people that are in it. When then I I kind of want to go home and watch this

Graham

I knew it. I do it. But unfortunately for you, it falls on me to to actually talk about I don't know most of the people that they accept full Sophia Loren and Martin Sheen. Perhaps Burt Lancaster in Ava Gardner. So, yeah, I do know about these people. Yeah. Okay, so this movie is called the Cassandra Crossing, and it stars Sophia Loren, Martin Sheen, Ava Gardner and Burt Lancaster. So these four people are among the stars in this film is about a European train that he's attacked by Swedish terrorists. That sounds weird because I've never heard of Swedish terrorists.

Jocelyn

Do they come with meatballs?  

Graham

Do they... The attack of the Swedish meatballs?  

Jocelyn

They come and make you assemble your  Furniture?  

Graham

Yeah. IKEA,  Al Queda.  

Jocelyn

Yes. Yes! 

Graham

it makes sense.

Jocelyn

It does, it makes perfect sense.

Graham

A Swedish terrorist  organization. What it is makes you assemble your own damn thing. All right, so so okay,  By Swedish terrorists and infected with a deadly pathogen. The train is also speeding toward an unstable bridge., but No one on board is being allowed off. So this movie is available on Tubi  on YouTube or Google. Play and I have to say something about Tubi, Tubi is actually very good.  a very good  streaming system. The only thing is, it's for free. Ah, thing There is a paid version of it, but it is actually for free. And it has a lot of good ass movie of the good old movies, but they will f*ck you up, with commercial. It's one of those that you don't see the commercial's coming most of the time. Lag is just in the damn movie. Hey s Oh, yeah, the Cassandra Crossing Because its on Tubi, I'm probably going to watch it, even though, as I as you know, Jocelyn, I'm not big on old ass movies. But let's see what happens.  

Jocelyn

Maybe it's not about our old ass. E o. Okay, Okay.

Graham

What about what do you think? I can't wait todo All right.

Jocelyn

Next. Oh, boy. Um, were generally not making fun of anybody who has corona over the cove in 19 or making light of the situation. It's just we're having a good time here, you know? I mean, honestly, there's nothing that any of us can do about it except wash our hands, be quarantined if we're supposed to be quarantined. Worst decided to self quarantine if we think we've been around somebody who was sick. So I mean, you know, do the right thing. But, you know, that doesn't mean you can't laugh. That is a serious thing. And people are going to die. But it, you know, at the same time, there is literally nothing we can do other than the responsible adult.

Graham

Exactly. And of course, we wouldn't make fun of you for having covered 19. But if you have an old ass

Jocelyn

Yeah, sorry, You're outta luck. I'm gonna make fun of that ass, E o. Next on the list is a movie called Infection. When a doctor's mistake leads to dire consequences for a patient, a strange illness starts afflicting the medical staff who helped cover it up. This Japanese movie is a bit more outlandish with this deaths with the infected liquefied into green goop. But it's important to have a global perspective on outbreaks and then that that makes sense to me, you know, to have some foreign, the foreign movie and the the non English language movie and the worldwide view because, you know, as Americans are stocking toilet paper. But What are the Japanese stocking?

Graham

Yeah, I wonder what?

Jocelyn

Probably They're being smart. And they're doing sake or something like that. I mean, if I was going to hoard something that would be alcohol uncle, but because, I mean, you can use that to sanitize. You can use that to wash. That is true. You can use it for wounds, and you can just drunk off your old ass.  

Graham

You know, by the way, I remember this week I actually saw a tweet by Jeffrey by your husband... picture of a Tequila bottle and he is like, wife says she's ready to quarantine and, uh, I think is good.  

Jocelyn

Yes, Yes. Site. I needed some tequila. You know, I just need to get some vodka.

Graham

Oh...Damn!  Party at Jocelyn! uh all right, So the next movie we're going to talk about was clearly written by Captain Obvious E. I can't believe that somebody you know what? I should make a movie about a virus,  

Jocelyn

But what should we name it? Graham.

Graham

Watch. Yeah, um, I got it....Virus!

Jocelyn

Brilliant!

Graham

thing. So you guessed it. The movie we're going to talk about next is called Virus. And he says this Indian film is based on the true event surrounding the 2018 Nipah virus outbreak in Kerala and the local communities mobilization effort to stop the spread and this movie is available on Prime, I would probably have called it have named him Outbreak in Kerala or Outbreak. You know, all the Nipah virus or I don't know. Yeah, maybe I'm being more obvious than than the obviety of this, but I don't know, but virus virus there's more from 2019. So let's continue with the obvious titles, and shit, that seems to be the thing right here,  

Jocelyn

does what it says on the tin. So next we have something called the Bay. If you're a sucker for found footage, try this movie about a quaint little town that turns into a breeding ground for a waterborne organism that takes control of the minds and bodies of its hosts. While not the best film ever created, there's something especially convincing about the recovered footage that will truly kick you into trick you into believing you just watch the town burn itself down with madness.

Graham

And it's called the bay

Jocelyn

the bay because they got it from the bay. It's available on Hulu. Now, I actually remember. I've had not seen this movie, but ah, this'll This movie was filmed not very far from where I grew up. Really? Yeah, it's It's about the Chesapeake Bay. The body of water that's close to Maryland. So, um, you know the baby, the baby there, there. One could argue it wouldn't be much of a loss, but anyone? Yeah, I remember when this came out, because the there was, I saw the trailer for it and there was some of the found quote unquote found footage was in the trailer, and I was like, I recognize that.

Graham

Let me ask you this does Is it, like, bad on the level of Sharknado?

Jocelyn

I think it's pretty damn close your date from the trailer. From what I remember from the trailer, it's been a while. But from what I remember, it's it's pretty damn close, too. Sure. Yeah.

Graham

That's the 1st 1 I'm going to watch. Yeah. Yeah. Certain

Jocelyn

Sharknado is a good one. The rift tracks version of Sharknado is great too.

Graham

no. I'm going for the Bay.

Jocelyn

Oh, you're going for The Bay?

Graham

Yes, you damn straight. I'm one for The Bay. I love me some ridiculous movie.

Jocelyn

Yeah, it's It's if I haven't watched it. But if if I remembering the trailer correctly, I I was like, Wow!

Graham

e when all you can say is wow you go because there's so many shit you could say to show surprise and dumbfounded ness. Yeah, but wow is actually the ultimate resource in terms of Yeah, I was kind of your move.

Jocelyn

Wow, it's kind of pure.

Graham

I can't say anything else except Wow. Yeah, you have outdone yourself You're doing yourself mo'focka!  All right, then. So The Bay it is for me tonight and we continue moving on to the next It is deranged. And it says the parasite in the South Korean film drives the infected to drown themselves. And when one Man's family's infected, he has to do what he can to try and find a cure. As the condition spreads across the nation and the government sends the afflicted into quarantine, this movie is available on iTunes and YouTube. I wonder. Is it talking about YouTube TV on just YouTube?  

Jocelyn

I don't know  

Jocelyn

Cause like, if it's on YouTube, all right. I can't see anybody paying for it. all night.

Jocelyn

Yeah, I can't either.  

Graham

Well, whatever.  

Jocelyn

Yeah,  

Graham

Deranged,

Graham

that's some. That's kind of interesting because there is a parasite that well, get in animals and insects, and it does drive him to drive to drown themselves.  

Graham

Is that so?  

Jocelyn

Yeah, so I can get into water and have it's chill. It's, you know, pro Creator in the in the water, so that when something comes along and drinks the water than it can then infects the new host.

Graham

It reminds me then, of a biblical event that has always. Scientists have always explained it as one of these situations where where a bunch of pig's got, you know, some sort of virus that led them to go into the water and drowned themselves. But the Bible explains that Jesus, took demons off a person and transposed it into the pigs, which is what led them into the water to drown himself in. So that brings me reminds me, reminds me of that. So it's good that you mention that

Jocelyn

Yeah, yeah, so that's there is I can't remember the name of the parasite, but I've actually seen videos of it. It's it's horrifying.  

Graham

Laaawd !

Jocelyn

Yeah, is No, don't want to. Yeah, Now, don't Don't YouTube it. Don't go. Don't you know, don't you? Sure. It's creepy. Okay, It splits their head. Open ticket into the water. Oh, no. After it drowns them. No. Yeah.

Graham

No. Okay. No, I wish you didn't even tell whatever, dude,

Jocelyn

I needed to convince you to not do it.

Jocelyn

all you have to say is Graham Don't, but nooooo. All right, Jojo. Who's next?

Jocelyn

you're next. Now I'm next. Oh, you have extreme Next your next time. Next. Yeah. Carriers Chris Pine, Piper Perabo and Emily VanCamp star in this movie about a group of friends trying to outrun a pandemic who realized on their journey that the evils of man are just as threatening as any virus. And this is available on Netflix.

Graham

So this is if you would sort of, like, taking the shape of a little bit off one of those conspiracy theories, right? Like yours was created by man and she alright, but it's available on Netflix. So if you want to next fleet netflix and chill while your chilling in quarantine doesn't

Jocelyn

make sure the other person's quarantined too. Yeah,

Graham

by the way, about the quarantine. Do you know How many babies in the next nine months you think are gonna be named Corona? Vironta,  Covidian,  Eileen Veronica You're wrong, man. Why did your Veron ta was

Jocelyn

Wait, When were you born? Oh, you're one of those babies

Graham

And the baby's name is virally. I'm sorry. What now? Virally  enough with the clowning around so the next one is called The Last Days. Here's another novel Contagion Take an affliction called The Panic has swept across humanity causing people to become so severely agoraphobic that they actually die if they're forced outside.  Our hero Mark has been trapped in an office building but sets out to find his girlfriend and has to do so without ever actually setting foot beyond shelter.  That movie is available on Hulu.

Jocelyn

That sounds kind of interesting. T

Graham

hat is mad. Interesting.

Jocelyn

It makes me think of you. And and I don't know if you ever play this when you were a kid, but the floor is lava. When you had to, you had to navigate the house by only stepping on furniture or or not stepping on the rug. Like if you had a rug and like the rest of your floors one, all the others have

Graham

you explain it. I can. I can certainly tell you that. Only literal American You get to play that shit. You know you don't You don't get to jump on. furniture that are cleaned by my mama. No.

Jocelyn

Okay, so it makes me think of that because, you know, he's not allowed to leave shelter. So we kind of like

Graham

it More or less would be like the flora is her love. And I will whoop your  

Jocelyn

Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.  

Graham

But, like, yeah, agoraphobia as well. Always been one of the one off my favorite phobias to observe and study. And, uh, it's, you know, it's a fascination to me. The notion that somebody is mad scared of just walking out. I mean, you I I think main reason we're podcasters, because way are a lot of people don't believe in what I'm saying. This but I'm like mad introvert and, while, I can function on stage while I can. You know, I don't have a fear of public speaking while I can interact while I'm in in public. But my introvert shelf is is asking When's this fucking thing over? I need to I need to get out of here, and I don't wanna be more among people s O. These agoraphobia is is just like that on steroid in that you don't want to even be outside. Yeah, it's just don't you just afraid of stepping foot outside of your door Yeah, and that has always been a fascinating thing. I, uh I hope I never get there, but there are days that I really don't.

Jocelyn

You know, I, uh it's, uh I think I I think we're quite similar in that. And then I'm I'm definitely an introvert and to find, Although I'm not afraid of public speaking either, or being crowds can bother me. But, um, I don't find that energizing. Whereas some people do find that very energizing for me, it's very draining. Yes. So, like you, my been looking forward to whenever I get to go back to my little Heidi hole and be comfortable and, you know, not have to worry about about, you know, casting this, this image of being a sane human being, but, um yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but ah, I think that yeah, I have definitely had the days to where, uh, it's like, No, I'm not I'm not going out there because I might see a person. It's not so much the being outside it, See, I might see a person or a person might seem Hey,

Graham

and then why would you want to talk to me like, What's the point? I really look like I want to say hi, yeah, How's your day going like and it's not is Really. We feel we're better than anybody you know,

Jocelyn

or that I even wish the person even any will will in the slightest No, I just It's just I I can't I don't have the energy. I don't have the life source to give that to you right now. And the fact that you know, it's just what it that's what it is to be an introvert. It is you just sometimes you just can't people.

Graham

It is draining, you know, like I know that one of the main reasons that I always park my car in the garage is so that when I get out of my car, the neighbour doesn't feel like he has to say hi and exactly they're lovely people across the street next to me, but I wish they could read me enough to know that they don't have to say is OK, they don't say hi. It's certainly fine if they don't ask me as your day going because I don't want I don't see the point of it what we've talked about ourselves enough.

Jocelyn

There is one more thing they just say there is, Ah, what looks like It could be a really good movie coming out that you might be interested in with Amy Adams about Agora phobia. Really? Yes, it's It's It's It's Citizen is a thriller, Um, but it's it's really about Agora phobia, and I've read the book and I'm interested to see the movie. Um, I think it's called The Lady in the window with a woman in the window.

Graham

Oh, that sounds fantastic,

Jocelyn

but it is. I mean, it's it's really about Agora phobia.

Graham

Have it? I don't go to your knowing I don't go to the movies, the movie theater, no book

Jocelyn

that ability, it'll be streamed

Graham

isn't enough. Yeah, this would be one of those that I might wanna go through it because most likely I'll be by myself in the movie theater to be in with the dope. I like Amy Adams to Amy Adams is? No.

Jocelyn

You know, this is a really good actress.

Graham

See it? It seemed more than I'd Yeah. Yeah. So what else do we have? Jocelyn,

Jocelyn

Let's see here. I'm not quite sure ... ah wait. Um, I'm not quite sure how to pronounce this, but I'm gonna go with my best shot Ponty pool. Sounds like I'm saying panty pool street full of pull if I have been talking about old ass is in toilet paper, not a pool of panties. Um, the strength of Ponty pool. Now one of the giggles. Every time it is, it's limited scope. While humanity is being brought to its knees by a rapidly spreading infection. We only experience the crisis through the perspective of an Ontario radio disc jockey who is receiving sporadic reports of the mayhem outside. This is available on iTunes and shudder. I'm not familiar with shudder.

Graham

I'm not familiar with shudder either, and it was supposed to be experts at streaming, so I have to I have to do my

Jocelyn

We're gonna have to do research. And it sounds like it's something to do with, like,

Graham

one of those popcorn streaming platforms.

Jocelyn

Yeah, with, like, maybe just horror movies in that kind of thing.

Graham

So we'll find out, eh? So? Well, we'll do it. Three more resync and then we call it a. That sounds. So the next one for me is 28 days later. Writer and director Danny Boyle. By the way, Danny Boyle is, Dude that directed Slumdog Millionaire, right and director Danny Boyle changed the zombie genre forever with 28 days later, in which a handful of survivors come together a month after mysterious virus has decimated the U. K. And try to survive long enough to be rescued. So Danny Boyle involved. I see this is insanely watchable. I would watch it, but I would have to be quarantined, so I'm no quarantine yet. So I am gonna watch this one for now, and this one is available on Hulu Yeah,

Jocelyn

sounds good. So next we have Dawn of the Dead from 1978. Um, you could watch a lot of of the dead movies, but we recommend Romero's sequel to his formative zombie classic. The Contagion has gone beyond the farmhouse of the first film film, and it's taking over the entire United States. The story focuses on the small group of survivors who make their way to a mall together. And it's one of the best movies ever made about the deleterious effects of an unstoppable pandemic in its early stages.

Graham

Okay, so we said we're going to do three more, and this is the last one there, All right, I think everybody's familiar with this. If you haven't, I think it's one of those that you can watch over and over again called World War  Zed or World War Z. Brad, Pitt and Mireille  Enos Star in these epic contagion movie that features maybe the largest mass of sprinting zombies ever put on screen. Pitt plays a former United Nations investigator who agrees to make his way through the infected landscaped to find the source of the outbreak and hopefully a cure before everyone falls to the pandemic. And that one is available on Hulu

Jocelyn

that one. I have seen, and I read the book, too, and the book is nothing like the movie.

Graham

So which one is better than me? Let me guess

Jocelyn

well, you can't compare them because they're completely different. The only thing they share is the name

Graham

Oh wow.

Jocelyn

So I I mean genuinely, they're they're they're they're completely different. So I enjoyed the book very much, and I enjoyed the movie, too. So I

Graham

have to tell you, this would not have seen that one. But it's no movie that I would have chosen to watch because, like I said, I'm Haitian and zombies are a thing like zombie literally. You know, the whole idea of zombie that has been exploited for almost 90 years in Hollywood surfaced in Haiti, right? And so none of what you see on screen has anything to do with zombification over the or the notion of Zombie. So I'm no, a big fan of that. Having said that, I did see World War Z  because I was in an airplane 

Graham

Oh, so yeah,  

Jocelyn

I will say that the tone of the movie, if I'm remembering correctly with a little odd, like every so often something would happen And it would be like Was I supposed to laugh at that? Like I Not that you know, uh, a thriller can't have funny moments or whatever, but it was kind of like it that would suddenly make a dad joke in the middle of somebody dying. You move here you okay? Do you

Graham

have the virus movie? Like one of those too soon, dude. Yeah, Yeah. Oh, just do my back. So, yeah, I mean, of course, if you have nowhere to go and it's one of those movies that you can watch over and over a game cause it is good but it's slightly ridiculous. And for me, every zombie movie, every zombie, whatever Don't buy made by Hollywood is ridiculous because it totally fantasize the the theory of zombie education end. It's laughable in truly what we Haitians know  of zombies and is fucking terrifying. So, yeah, for me, there's a lot of humor in it, not because it's funny, but is because look at this bullshit, you know? But they haven't. So we've come up There's farm any more movies in that. And in fact, if you go on vulture to come for these articles, 58 movies. But of course, we couldn't cram them all in 45 minutes off the show, so we're gonna leave it at that. All right? Yeah. Hopefully you don't find yourself in a situation where you have to watch all of these movies. Meaning we sincerely hope that it doesn't get to you being quarantined. That's that's it for the truth. Yes. And before we go, we want to let you know, of course, if you're listening to us for the first time, we're all over social media kicking his doing podcasts, instagram, Facebook, Pinterest, Twitter. And, uh, I think that's everything.

Jocelyn

Yeah, I think so

Graham

are our website is kicking in human podcast dot com aimed. You can find Jocelyn on instagram as Jocelynpodcast. And of course me, I am Mrpuzzeta it's M r p u z z e t t a. So take care of yourselves. Wash your

Jocelyn

hands, wash your hands right, 12 seconds at least

Graham

20 seconds. And by the way, if you go on her instagram page  Kickin' & Streamin'  underscore podcast we posted at list off nineties and in 2000 songs that you can substitute for Happy Birthday. It is instead of singing Happy Birthday when washing your hands so that it doesn't get boring. Yeah, s o, this is a Well did you pick one day? Is there one particular that you like?

Jocelyn

Um, I like the spice girls. See, that's when you can bust out at the top of your lungs and work. And everybody could be like the fuck is going on in there. Yeah,

Graham

yeah, I did one of those at wor, but it was your queen to be from from coming to America. I completely forgot that I was at work and she's you Thio be in. When I was came out, everybody was. But anyway, folks will live at these and, uh, wills you next week. Yes, we'll talk Thio, be safe. Wash my damn hands. Lets you have a good one bag, but

 

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Aidy Bryant

Shrill has returned this week for a second season on Hulu and we couldn’t be happier about that. Now, if you find yourself asking: “what the hell is Shrill, and why should I care about it?’ We’re glad you asked because you’re in for a treat.

Shrill is a Hulu original series based on the book Shrill: Notes from a Loud Woman written by writer, comedian and activist Lindy West. Starring SNL cast member Aidy Bryant, Shrill was in our opinion, one of the best original shows by Hulu since perhaps The Handmaid’s Tales. In fact, we liked it so much, we dedicated an entire podcast episode about it.

So, what is Shrill about? Well imagine a world where someone was screaming, beaming, and being unapologetic about self-love and body positivity long before Lizzo made it cool. Shrill chronicles Lindy West’s journey from the girl who was made to believe she couldn’t possibly be comfortable in her own skin as a fat woman to loudly touting the fat acceptance movement with absolutely brilliant humor and comedic genius. The Casting of Aidy Bryant is also a fantastic choice on this series and she owns every single moment on the screen as she often does when we see her on Saturday Night Live.

Listen to what Jocelyn and Graham had to say about Shrill on this episode of Kickin’ & Streamin’ last year, and go binge watch seasons 1 & 2 on Hulu. Season one consists of 6 episodes of approximately 22 minutes each, and season 2; which premiered on Jan 24, has 8 episodes.

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There’s probably not a lot about Good Omens I can say that hasn’t already been said.  Brilliant?  Yes.  Funny?  Yes.  Great television?  Undoubtedly so.  

But if you haven’t watched it, I cannot emphasize enough how much you need to.  How brilliant and sparkling the chemistry between stars David Tennant and Michael Sheen really is.  How Neil Gaiman put so much love and respect into this project, not only for himself, but for the late great Terry Pratchett.  How much care went into the creation of this is so patently obvious, it will give you goose bumps.
 
So yes, watch Good Omens season 1 on Amazon Prime. And you know what else?  Listen to our podcast episode that we dedicated to it, because it’s damn good, too.
 

Having cable is like having one of those $10 gym memberships you don’t use, but have a hard time getting rid of. I was once involved in one such gym membership relationship and a friend made me see the light. She told me the reason there are 10-dollar gym memberships is actually a genius marketing strategy whereby the member may quit going to the gym, but he or she will always be hesitant to cancel their membership for the following two reasons: 1).- It’s only $10 a month and 2)- It’s only $10 a month.

The difference with cable is that cable is at least 20 times more expensive than a $10 gym membership and though we may use it from time to time, we never watch enough TV content to make up for the cost of cable. That’s mainly because we all know what we want to watch, we mostly watch the same few programs on the same channels except cable companies don’t give us the choice to only have those channels. Cable companies force the consumer to basically buy an entire garbage pail with the promise you’ll find some treasures in it, as long as you’re willing to dig and syphon through the rubbish.

Add to all of this, the fact that cable companies make it extremely hard to break up with them by offering you the grand deal they never managed to offer to you until the moment you call to cancel your subscription. This strategy is incredibly effective and it manages to entangle the customer for another long-term commitment they never see coming until it’s too late to back out of it. I’ll be the first one to confess I fell many a times for the “free upgrade” trick, just to realize a year or two later that it was neither an upgrade, nor free after all.

So, how did I break free from the chains of cable and started strictly streaming? One day, my wife and I sat down and reviewed how much TV we watched on a weekly basis; which wasn’t much. We went over the channels on which those programs are and ended up realizing at least sixty percent of the programs or shows we watched were actually on over-the-air TV; which means we didn’t necessarily have to have cable to watch those programs. This was when we arrived at solution number one: Buy a Good Digital HD Antenna. You’d be surprised to see how many HD local over-the-air channel content you’re missing out on due to having cable.

What did I do about the Cable TV programs I watched? There are two options here and I opted for both, but you most certainly don’t have to do as I did because one of these options should be more than enough: Hulu, and Sling TV. The latter is a streaming service which spawned off of Direct TV and it began marketing itself as “A La Carte TV.” Sling offers a Blue plan starting at $20 per month, and an Orange plan; which is slightly more expensive, but the catch is you get to choose your channels lineup. Since the inception of Sling, many similar streaming services have emerged offering the flexibility of watching what you know you’ll watch for a low monthly fee. Just do your research and choose whatever feels more comfortable for your wallet. When I decided to let go of Cable, I already had a Hulu subscription, but I was barely using it because I thought I could always watch my favorite programs live on Cable TV, as opposed to watching them two hours later on Hulu. The problem is, I almost never had time to watch most of my favorite programs live anyway because most of them coincided on day and time; therefore I could only choose to watch one show while DVR-ing the others to watch them at a later time. Like me, many people don’t know Cable companies actually charge consumers a lease or rent fee for DVR devices, so when I thought about it, I realized I might as well use Hulu to watch the programs I was recording to watch later. Right at around the same time I decided to dump cable and to start streaming, Hulu and Spotify announced a new partnership where consumers could combine their respective Hulu and Spotify accounts for a reduced monthly fee, and I jumped right at that opportunity. I went from paying $13 for a limited commercials Hulu account and $10 for a premium Spotify account, to paying about $12 for both services.

Since we went from Cable TV to strictly streaming in my household, we’ve gone from spending approximately $200 monthly cable bills to about $65 for streaming services. Full disclosure: my Netflix account is paid for by my mobile phone service provider; therefore it’s not included in the aforementioned billed amount for streaming services.

The decision to forego Cable TV and to stream instead is an entirely personal one and we encourage you to do your research in order to determine whether streaming is for you. Some of the streaming services I’ve taken the liberty to mention on this blogpost are simply from my point of view as a consumer and I have not being paid, nor am I being offered any incentive for doing so. Keep in mind that what has worked out for me might not necessarily be your cup of tea, and finally, before making the switch from Cable to streaming, make sure you’re comfortable enough with such technologies and you’re able to keep up with its rapid evolution. It’s sometimes hard to remember Netflix was a DVD mailing service a few years back, yet now it’s the biggest and most well-known streaming platform in the world.

Finally, this is not a decision you should take lightly, and before you switch, remember to do a review of the things you value the most about the Cable service you currently have and whether or not you could live without it, or substitute it with something else. My personal experience has been fantastic and I would never go back to TV cable. 

 

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